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Issues with Pytes or EG4? I had problems with EG4 and it took over a month for tech support to get back to me.  Andrew Perkins Greenwired Store Manager/Service Tech​ P: 707-923-2001 ext. 100 1150 #1 Evergreen Rd Redway, CA 95560 http://www.greenwired.com http://qr.codes/qTa1Mh

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I have one of four one alarm locked no tech support On Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 2:11 PM Darryl Thayer wrote: > Yes the pytes are good price, I had problems and no tech support > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 1:51 PM Andrew Perkins via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > >> Jay we

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Jay we have been doing a few of these Pytes they seem like a upgrade from the EG4s, better manuals and integration guides and I can get them from NAZ instead of SignatureSolar. Only real issue so far is they have a special terminal on them so they come with these little jumpers.

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s are great as well. $$ is good, especially > compared to Fortress and the other. > > > >Take a look > > > > Thx > > Peter Giroux > > American Solar > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RE-wrenches On Behalf > Of Jay via RE-w

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and the other. Take a look Thx Peter Giroux American Solar -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of Jay via RE-wrenches Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:20 PM To: RE-wrenches Cc: Jay Subject: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation Hi all I’m Looking for recommendations

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Fortress can be disassembled and moved easily, blue planet comes in seperate parts and can be purchased in 8, 12 or 16 kWhrs and both have a cabinet and BMS Included Fun times On Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 8:45 PM Eric Smiley via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > Keep in mind the

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Keep in mind the Fortress eVault is a 500 lb beast. Our installers complained about it and we've moved to smaller, rack-mount units and are currently testing the HomeGrid Stack'd in various configurations. *Eric Smiley,* Design Manager e...@vecoop.ca T: 250.703.6004 <+12507036004> T:

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Jay Fortress is a good solution, blueplanet is a great battery also, both have been around long enough. So many manufacturers talk the big warranty but don't have time in the field to support what they say. I ran a lab testing batteries and saw some impossible warranties. Fun times On Thu, Jul

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I believe(but am not sure) that it was about their inverters and SolArks being made by the same manufacturer. Their batteries had nothing to do with it and while we have had multiple problems with Fortress and other high priced LiFePo batteries with the same warranties and expected life cycles ,

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Didn’t they just lose the lawsuit against them from Sol-Ark?Amanda PotterEnergy Storage SpecialistNABCEP PV Installation ProfessionalNYSERDA Eligible PV InstallerAdirondack Battery & Solar, LLCPotsdam, NY (315) 212-2114 Call/ TextOn Jul 13, 2023, at 7:26 PM, Daryl DeJoy via RE-wrenches wrote:Hi

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Hi Jay, We've installed about 400k's worth of Atlas LiFePo4 "Powerwalls" and "powertowers" over the past two years, many on Outback systems. They're located in Utah and the owner picks up the phone most of the time when I call. They're growing and determined to do it right as they do from

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Guarantee you EG4 won't be around in 5 years. Their retailers like Signature and Sovereign Solar are a joke. Bet you they won't be around long either. I think you will find more bad experiences than good. On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 4:12 PM Michael Morningstar wrote: > If they are going to spend

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If they are going to spend that kind of money, ditch OB. I've never had an Outback system, going all the way back, that didn't puke prematurely and have issues. Discover AES and Schneider for the win. Once they are set up, they just work. On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 3:20 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <

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Solar -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of Jay via RE-wrenches Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:20 PM To: RE-wrenches Cc: Jay Subject: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation Hi all I’m Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v. 150-200 kWh. System

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery recommendation

Hi all I’m Looking for recommendations for a lithium battery. 48v. 150-200 kWh. System is probably going to be open comm, as the system has outback equipment. That could change but probably not. Remote monitoring is required even though it is a site with people 24/7. So far fortress and

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery charge rate

Steve, you folks still sell the Discover 6650 ? that I use alot. It is faster than C2, they claim. Not that one would want that offgrid where long life is required. Pretty amazing battery for winter genset use. ROLLS S24-2800LFP & S48-6650LFP ESS OPERATING MANUAL ENHANCED RUNTIME *

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Yes, thanks, Darryl... I did mean the C/2 or C/3 rate...

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That makes more sense, Darryl, thanks for sharing that. Another good example, Jay. We do have batteries that can be charged at 3C but I have only designed one mobile medical unit with that capability. It required 2 50A shore power connections or could use the onboard 20kW generator. Makes lots

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Hi Jay and all, I belive Steve meant C/2 or C/3; just a typo. My oldest set of LiFe is almost 10 years? It has a fastest charge rate of C/0.2 because the 10 kWh is charged by 1.6 kW solar. These batteries are doing fine. I do not have a way of measuring the current capacity but On Mon, Jun

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Jay, I do not know/use this brand. Got this off the internet. Looks to me like they are telling you max charge is 100A but max life is 30 - 50a charge. only a 5 year warranty so Good Luck ! Voltage 51.2V Capacity 100Ah Charging Voltage (Bulk/Absorb) 56.2V (+/- 0.2V) Float 54V (+/-

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These are 100 amp hr eg4 48v  batteries. Tech support said their recommended charge rate per battery is 30-50 amps. I asked because Ive never heard this and it still doesn’t sound correct. All of the responses have been consistent and I will try to get someone higher up to review all this and

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For many LFP batteries, while some say you can charge at the C1 Rate, most want you to charge at the C2 or C3 rate. While you don't have to get them full all the time like lead, as long as you are cycling regularly, it is still a good idea to get them to full regularly. Now if they are a backup

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Hi Jay, Larry says is correct. My experience, with cells and there BMS is they need to get up to top balance voltage then the BMS will stop charging the full cells and bring the remainder of cells up to fill charge. My oldest set is about 6 years old, since I understood they have been fine On

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Hi Jay, For our LFMP and LFP batteries, it has never mattered. As long as current is flowing, the SoC is increasing and the voltage will rise until it reaches the CV set point. Typically cell balance occurs when a cell voltage reaches a set point where a load turns on across that cell.

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery charge rate

Hi All I’m wondering if minimum charge amps for lithium is common or not? Or does it have to do with the cell shape: cylindrical vs prismatic vs pouch? A client purchased some EG4 batteries and they are getting a bit out of balanced. Tech support didn’t suggest higher volts or longer absorb

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery aging

Hi all I hope some of you might know the answer to these questions. When a Lithium battery ages, is its voltage reduced? If so by how much? Is the C rate reduced? Is the only change lower amp hours? And finally how does the BMS determine this reduction? How does it know it’s lower

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery placement

I have systems with the batteries in living spaces, depends more on the JHA, They are fire rated On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 2:43 PM Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: > Just out of curiosity, does Blue Planet allow for the placement of their > Blue Ion battery in residential living spaces? > > marco > > On

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery fires

Lithium batteries are not all the same, any battery having cobalt, magnesium, manganese are some of what will start fires, batteries with Phosphate does not have the same fire possibilities. On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 12:11 PM Dana Orzel wrote: > >

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Kienan Maxfield Solar maxfieldso...@hotmail.com<mailto:maxfieldso...@hotmail.com> (801) 631-5584 (Cell) From: RE-wrenches on behalf of Dan Fink Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 3:41 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery fires Safer

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery placement

Just out of curiosity, does Blue Planet allow for the placement of their Blue Ion battery in residential living spaces? marco On Saturday, March 12, 2022, Sindelar Solar wrote: > I would start by choosing my lithium technology carefully. I have only > installed Blue Ion LiFP batteries, and

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Safer LiFePO4 vs. "lithium ion" NMC formulation for ESS is also important to carefully explain to customers--especially since the UN 3480/3481 hazmat shipping labels and regulations group them both into the same category of "Lithium Ion" and that's what stamped and placarded on the box. Ran into

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I would start by choosing my lithium technology carefully. I have only installed Blue Ion LiFP batteries, and have relied on Blue Planet's assurances that lithium ferrous sulfate technology is non-flammable and thus safe in residential applications. Allan On 3/12/2022 1:11 PM, Dana Orzel

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery fires

As I far as I know in the grid-tie residential storage market, Tesla Powerwalls have dominated, especially in the two largest markets of California and Hawaii. (Full disclosure: I'm a Tesla Certified Installer.) To my knowledge, I've never seen an example of one torching. In fact, Tesla, to their

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery fires

https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/01/massive-cargo-ship-carrying-electric-car s-sinks-in-atlantic-ocean-after-fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWq-Mq1Uqpw NTSB video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6eS6JzBn0k Without trying to be a fear monger but definitely concerned as an installer -

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery in non cycling use

axfield Solar maxfieldso...@hotmail.com<mailto:maxfieldso...@hotmail.com> (801) 631-5584 (Cell) From: RE-wrenches on behalf of Darryl Thayer Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:10 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery in non cycling

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery in non cycling use

Hi Jay I am not sure what non-cycling use is, I have mentioned before in my experience where a cell in the string can become lower in charge and the string loses capacity in discharge because the BMS shuts off the complete battery when the troubled cell reaches low voltage cut out. To prevent

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Look at Blue planet, they have a BMS and l do not know what draw it has. Can you lock out the battery with a contactor to reactivate the system Jerry Jerry On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, 10:56 AM Jay wrote: > Hi Jerry > > This is for a generic GTBB with no battery sell back. So basically for as > many

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Hi Jerry This is for a generic GTBB with no battery sell back. So basically for as many years as possible. Jay > On Feb 23, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Jerry Shafer wrote: > >  > Well before l say anything, how long? I have locked out LFP for 180 plus days > and they held the charge, now if the

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Well before l say anything, how long? I have locked out LFP for 180 plus days and they held the charge, now if the BMS is connected the battery will draw down. Now l can say that once a LFP that l use is full its fu and 99% bypass the battery. Now also different brands tend to act somewhat

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Office) da...@sesre.com -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of Jay Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:02 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery in non cycling use Hi all the lithium experts. Are there any issues with using LFP lithium in non cycling battery

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Jay We have some government customers using LiFeBlue Battery as a UPS for radio systems. Battery and radios are connected to a constant 14.2 Volt power supply. The battery only discharges if the utility power goes off and recharges after restoration. Operating for 3+ years. Larry Crutcher

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anecdotal, but Blue Planet told me their LFP battery can sit uninstalled in the box for several years with minimal self-discharge and no problems when put into service. On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:36 AM Jay wrote: > Hi all the lithium experts. > > Are there any issues with using LFP lithium in

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery in non cycling use

Hi all the lithium experts. Are there any issues with using LFP lithium in non cycling battery backup mode. Or specific settings, brands etc that should be considered when designing for GTBB, non cycling. Thanks Jay ___ List sponsored by Redwood

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Remember that cable resistance isn't the only thing to think about for battery cables from inverter to batteries... Cable inductance can matter too which is made better by keeping positive and negative cables close together and also keeping them short as possible. boB On 7/21/2021 3:19

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HI Nick, Yes my friend called them directly, he was working with them on this project and they said no problem with unequal cable lenghts. jay > On Jul 21, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Nick A Lucchese wrote: > > Good evening Barton and Jay, > > Is this recent that Blue Planet’s tech support says not

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Jay, wrenches Does not sound like fortress or blue planet, are these 12's or 24 volt packs, no interconnecting BMS so resistance is not in check, voltage and SOC neither. If you interlace the packs AKA 1,3,5,7,6,4 rather then 1,2,3 can you reduce or even balance the cables. Jerry On Tue, Jul 20,

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Good evening Barton and Jay, Is this recent that Blue Planet’s tech support says not to worry about parallel cable lengths? They’ve said for years to try and match them and it is even noted that “All parallel battery connections to be of equal length” on the three line diagram on page 31 of

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uly 20, 2021 4:02:20 PM To: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org]> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths   Seems wrong to me! The lengths need to be very close.  Why would you not do this Jay? Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don'

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• Jackson, WY 83001 • (O) 307-200-2210 bchurch...@energy-1.net<mailto:blans...@energy-1.net> | www.energy-1.net<http://www.energy-1.net/> From: RE-wrenches on behalf of jay Reply-To: RE-wrenches Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 7:29 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenc

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HI Barton, Thanks for the explanation, and it confirms that battery one is doing more work than #6. jay > On Jul 20, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Barton Churchill wrote: > > I think you’ll find it stated in the Blue Planet installation manual. I’ve > installed dozens of their systems over three

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20, 2021 4:13:41 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths HI Barton, OK so please explain how the BMU/BMS is controlling watt hrs between the batteries as I’ve not heard that this is possible. The batteries are Blue planet jay On Jul 20, 2021, at 4:04 PM

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our wires are sized properly > for their output it does not matter. > From: RE-wrenches on behalf of > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 4:02:20 PM > To: RE-wrenches > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths > > Seems wrong t

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HI Dave, Not my design, but I”m checking for him jay > On Jul 20, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > wrote: > > Seems wrong to me! The lengths need to be very close. Why would you not > do this Jay? > > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > "we go where powerlines don't" >

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If each lithium battery has an internal BMU and your wires are sized properly for their output it does not matter. From: RE-wrenches on behalf of Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 4:02:20 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches

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Seems wrong to me! The lengths need to be very close. Why would you not do this Jay? Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net text 209 813 0060 On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:58:10 -0600, Jay wrote: > Hi all > > I’ve

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths

Hi all I’ve got a design for a lithium battery that has a 12’ longer run from furthest battery vs closer battery. 6 batteries in all. So lengths go from 0-12’ plus to the combiner/ disconnect. What is the feeling about running different lengths vs making them all the same length? How

Re: [RE-wrenches] lithium battery question

They are like LA batteries and have a cycle count affect lifetime and like LA batteries the life cycle depend upon DOD per cycle. They also have a calendar life. It is generally accepted that LIFE batteries have 5000 deep cycles and 10,000 equivalent cycles if they are shallow, slow discharge and

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This is now common. As energy density increases, these cells are packaged in existing battery cases. I typically see about 15% more storage in GBS cells and about 10% for LiFeBlue Battery. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Aug 25, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Hugh Piggott wrote:

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Hello Jay, No. Battery conditioning is not necessary for Li chemistry batteries. Conditioning is used in other chemistries like NiMH and NiCd. Even LA batteries are “conditioned” and increase their capacity during the first few months of cycles. We see some confusion about Li battery for the

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First time I cycled my BYD batteries I got 20% more than rated kWh out of them. Based on third party Ah reading. Hugh ⁣Get BlueMail for Android ​ On 24 Aug 2020, 23:32, at 23:32, jay wrote: > >Dear lithium experts > >Do lithium LFP or NMC batteries have a break in period ( a certain >number

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I have never seen this or have seen it in warranty or installer training. Why do you ask Mr. Jay :) Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net text 209 813 0060 On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:54:22 -0700, jay wrote: >

[RE-wrenches] lithium battery question

Dear lithium experts Do lithium LFP or NMC batteries have a break in period ( a certain number of cycles or any other specific parameters) to have full capacity? Thx jay peltz power ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address:

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My cost for Discover AES has come down 5% from a year ago. L16 AGM are still 2 times the cost of L16 flooded which move around in cost normally with the price of lead. So, I would say LFP is a bit more than 2X flooded with a big however. The comparison is tilted because the 6.65 kwh (useable)

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Wrenches I would like to see the LFP price come down in price, I have seen some cheap POS's coming out of China $3800 for a 10kWhr battery but they have very little surge capability so the LBCO shuts down the inverter, Blue Planet seems to be holding on their price, Have not heard anything

[RE-wrenches] lithium battery cost

I want to ask about the cost of lithium batteries. Tesla seems to be telling the market that LFP batteries are way cheaper than NMC, and that they are switching to LFP, at least in China. From what I see in the marketplace that’s a lie. So I want to know from the lithium experts what they

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Jay, EV battery packs will always be less than the type we use in the RE industry. Chevy Bolt replacement battery in 2017 is $262/kWh according to this: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110881_how-much-is-a-replacement-chevy-bolt-ev-electric-car-battery Over the last 5 years, two brands

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Good point Dave. LFP has a much higher ignition point than NMC and that added safety is often deemed worth the added weight for stationary applications. Not sure about resi-scale costs but Adara has a nice C product priced in the range you mentioned Jay, but including design, installation,

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The Chevy, Tesla, Nissan are all NMC lithium. Residential is mostly all LFP except LG. NMC is about 1/2 the weight as LFP also. Different design goals is my take. Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net text 209

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cost

Hi all, I was doing some research on the Chevy bolt, and found that it’s battery cost about $145 per kWh in 2015. All the batteries I can find for sale for offgrid small systems ( 10-100 kWh) are in the $700-1000 per kWh Does anyone have insight into this. Or maybe better put, ways to buy

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Anyone can get them on the internet. They are very good batteries but need a SOC battery monitor built-in. Too much work and too much error when the battery manufacturer does not do this. Simpliphi has the BMS, bluetooth, wi-fi, or meter something Puleeze! --Dave > Jay, > > We can get these for

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Jay, We can get these for you: http://simpliphipower.com/live/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/simpliphi-power-phi-655-specification-sheet.pdf On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 4:14 PM, jay wrote: > Hi All, > > I’m looking for a lithium battery for a street light lead replacement. > > Size

[RE-wrenches] lithium battery

Hi All, I’m looking for a lithium battery for a street light lead replacement. Size is approximately 30 - 40 amp hrs, 12v and BMS included is preferred. Any recommendations out there? thanks jay peltz power ___ List sponsored by Redwood

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery systems

Hi Chris, I am in our 3rd year of designing and selling Lithium Iron Manganese Phosphate (LFMP) battery systems for our mobile, boat and off grid customers. There is no mystery to using Lithium Iron type batteries with most modern inverter/chargers, although some manufacturers disagree. Our

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery systems

Check with Iron Edison in Denver about their LiFePo batteries. The BMS is built in. They support Radian. https://ironedison.com/48-volt-lithium-battery-for-solar Dan Fink Adjunct Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute IREC Certified Instructor™ for: ~ PV Installation

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery systems

I'm curious to see if anyone is finding Lithium battery systems available that will be suitable for an Outback Radian based system. Let me know what is out there please. -- Chris Mason NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™ Solar Design Engineer Generac Generators Industrial technician