[REBOL] Re: While we are announcing

2002-03-06 Thread Maarten Koopmans
> >Hi All, > > > >Within the next few weeks/months I'll be releasing a P2P stack on top of > >Rugby. > >Finally Rugby is mature enough for that! > > > Not an answer to your question, just my question (as typical, am I not? You have a reputation to live up to ;-) > :-) - will you share with us ca

[REBOL] Re: While we are announcing

2002-03-06 Thread Maarten Koopmans
Being Dutch I am not familiar with English names of diseases. Thanks... Talking about P2P another one has crossed my mind though: "Rebola - it spreads like a virus" Anyway, it is just a working name. Any suggestions? --Maarten > Hi Maarten, > > << Working name: Rebella >> > > Hmmm. Will peopl

[REBOL] not getting emails from the list?

2002-03-06 Thread Lok Yek Soon
This is weird. I just found that I have not been getting any emails from the mailing list since March 2. What could be the problem? I have not make any changes to my email address? YekSoon -- Attached file included as plaintext by Listar -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked

[REBOL] Re: Mold, load and Core 2.6

2002-03-06 Thread Andrew Martin
Holger wrote: > Serialization of data structures with non-tree-based references requires special serialization functions. Once the experimental Core 2.6 comes out, I'll have revised versions of 'freeze and 'melt, which will handle this. Andrew Martin ICQ: 26227169 http://valley.150m.com/ -><-

[REBOL] Re: Yet another announcement...

2002-03-06 Thread Maarten Koopmans
Hi Ryan, What is the difference between CaRB and Rugby? Especially if you'd use it in View scripts with the Rugby 'chain func, which is a callback? How do you handle stub code generation and security? What is your performance? Do you use http for transport as well? Always interested in other bro

[REBOL] Re: Yet another announcement...

2002-03-06 Thread Charles
So, uh, Ryan... what's the URL? :) --Charles > Keep your eyes out in the REBOL library, as I am releasing a few things this > month: > > TEST VERSIONS > > Calculese -- A multifunction calculator dialect. Ready this month. > FTP-Serve -- A light duty FTP Server. Ready this month. > CaRB -- C

[REBOL] Virtual Layout

2002-03-06 Thread Mike Yaunish
I have done a little work on one of Carl's examples from a while a go and thought I would share it for comment. It would be nice to have a virtual layout work as a style sheet but I don't know enough yet to do that. It does however work nicely with the Win95 skin. See it at: http://members.shaw.ca

[REBOL] Re: Strange behaviour...

2002-03-06 Thread Andrew Martin
Terry wrote: > While poking away here, I recieved this strange string for a value to one of my 'words... > > "imanXwin kludge" > > I have no idea where this came from?? I think that's a bug. Send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I've come across it before, but couldn't track it down. Andrew Martin ICQ:

[REBOL] Re: View / User prompt help!!!

2002-03-06 Thread Brock & Janet
Romano, Ah yes, these will do nicely. It's amazing how many times you look through the online docs you miss these great functions. I've seen request file but the others I have not - so thanks a million. Brock -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf

[REBOL] IBM embed with linux PDA

2002-03-06 Thread Ryan Cole
IBM taking PowerPC archetecture to PDA's and announces that its going to port embedded Linux to them. This is subtle, yet really good news on the PDA front! http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20020228S0058 --Ryan Note: When sending me email directly, always make sure to include my name in the mess

[REBOL] Strange behaviour...

2002-03-06 Thread Terry Brownell
While poking away here, I recieved this strange string for a value to one of my 'words... "imanXwin kludge" I have no idea where this came from?? TB -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.

[REBOL] New Linux PDA's

2002-03-06 Thread Ryan Cole
Prospects are looking good for using REBOL on the PDA front. Most of the following devices should be able to run /Core and some /View with a little help from RT. http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8728350077.html On the business front the most notably the 4P DAT500: http://www.linuxdevices

[REBOL] Re: While we are announcing

2002-03-06 Thread Petr Krenzelok
Maarten Koopmans wrote: >Hi All, > >Within the next few weeks/months I'll be releasing a P2P stack on top of >Rugby. >Finally Rugby is mature enough for that! > Not an answer to your question, just my question (as typical, am I not? :-) - will you share with us capabilities of your stack in comp

[REBOL] Re: While we are announcing

2002-03-06 Thread Petr Krenzelok
Gregg Irwin wrote: >Hi Maarten, > ><< Working name: Rebella >> > >Hmmm. Will people think of "Rubella", the disease when they hear that name? > Hmm, or just call it much more agressive - Ebola ;-) - spreads fast :-) > >Just a thought. > >--Gregg > -- To unsubscribe from this list, please sen

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread Jason Cunliffe
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > # > > The easiest way to have *secure* P2P is to develop some [obscure] > > proprietary, non-published set of matching tools. End of story. > > Please, not that old oneagain. Security through obscurity never has and > never will work. The world

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread Joel Neely
Hi, Chris, Chris wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > # > > The easiest way to have *secure* P2P is to develop some [obscure] > > proprietary, non-published set of matching tools. End of story. > > Please, not that old one again. Security through obscurity never > has

[REBOL] Yet another announcement...

2002-03-06 Thread Ryan Cole
Keep your eyes out in the REBOL library, as I am releasing a few things this month: TEST VERSIONS Calculese -- A multifunction calculator dialect. Ready this month. FTP-Serve -- A light duty FTP Server. Ready this month. CaRB -- Callback Request Broker. Ready this month. Go-POS -- An excellen

[REBOL] Re: What's Up Rebol?

2002-03-06 Thread Chris
On 06-Mar-02, Petr Krenzelok wrote: > Heh, then you choosed a bad aproach for clarification? :-) I am able to > produce database connection in 1 minute and generate output in another > ten. They also know I can do the same in Perl and Java, it's hardly complicated. > You have to show her Reb

[REBOL] Re: Problems handling large txt files with open/direct/binary

2002-03-06 Thread G. Scott Jones
Hi, J.M. From: "j m" > I am processing a large text data file (over 100 MB) > in a Linux RH 7.2 box with 256 MB memory. > > I tried to use open/direct/lines but I had problems with lines above 4096 > chars so I use open/direct/binary and the following function to read lines: Depending on your n

[REBOL] Re: While we are announcing

2002-03-06 Thread Gregg Irwin
Hi Maarten, << Working name: Rebella >> Hmmm. Will people think of "Rubella", the disease when they hear that name? Just a thought. --Gregg -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.

[REBOL] Re: Mold, load and Core 2.6

2002-03-06 Thread Gregg Irwin
Thanks Holger! Excellent info, as usual. --Gregg -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.

[REBOL] Re: What's Up Rebol?

2002-03-06 Thread Scot
I think the main reason it's not being adopted is that Rebol Tech is focusing on an area that is, in my opinoin, not a good area for programmers to generate income using the script (IOS). If RT would take some time to create a FREE browser plugin out of Rebol View, then even if Rebol cost money (

[REBOL] Re: View / User prompt help!!!

2002-03-06 Thread Romano Paolo Tenca
Hi Brok, Give a look at the standard function request-date or at: request(function) request-color (function) request-date (function) request-download (function) request-file (function) request-list (function) request-pass (function) reques

[REBOL] While we are announcing

2002-03-06 Thread Maarten Koopmans
Hi All, Within the next few weeks/months I'll be releasing a P2P stack on top of Rugby. Finally Rugby is mature enough for that! Working name: Rebella License: BSD Any View hackers to build a Morpheus on top of that? --Maarten -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAI

[REBOL] Re: Mold, load and Core 2.6

2002-03-06 Thread Maarten Koopmans
Hi All, This makes life easier for everyone. I am very aware of the mentioned limitations as I see them when implementing Rugby. My current approach has been to use mold do and do mold. What happens when deserializing with do in 2.6 ? So... why these changes in particular? Floating code? I'll

[REBOL] Mold, load and Core 2.6

2002-03-06 Thread Holger Kruse
Here are some comments regarding the recent discussion on mold and load, explanations of which of those observations represent bugs and which do not, and what is going to change in the next upcoming Core 2.6 release: First of all, the *intended* use of load and mold for data is in the followin

[REBOL] Re: What's Up Rebol?

2002-03-06 Thread Petr Krenzelok
Chris wrote: > It'd be nice if it was REBOL, but too often it is more work to make a > good REBOL solution than an adequate Perl one. To say nothing of what > happens when you want a commercial script with Oracle database access, > my boss couldn't stop laughing when I showed her the price for /c

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread Chris
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 # > The easiest way to have *secure* P2P is to develop some [obscure] > proprietary, non-published set of matching tools. End of story. Please, not that old oneagain. Security through obscurity never has and never will work. The world is full of peop

[REBOL] Re: What's Up Rebol?

2002-03-06 Thread Romano Paolo Tenca
Hi Jim > Why aren't more programmers adopting the language? 1) License. 2) Lack of doc and reference doc. 3) A functional language it is not the first choice for a standard programmer. 4) Almost nobody speaks of Rebol outside this "private" mailing list 5) The future of Rebol is not clear. > I

[REBOL] View / User prompt help!!!

2002-03-06 Thread Brock & Janet
I am trying to use secondary views to retrieve user input. Is there a better way to do this than the way I am trying below. Simply, a main view window launches two separate view windows to retrieve user input. However, the two sub views return immediately and don't wait for user input. I've t

[REBOL] Re: Diversion

2002-03-06 Thread Terry Brownell
Charles wrote... > If you can't think of more exciting things than REBOl at weekends then you > should get outside more. > > That said i don't always heed my own advice - I often think about computer > related subjects whilst dog walking at weekends ;-) It's all relative. Some actually find 'd

[REBOL] Ready for REBOL/Core 2.6?

2002-03-06 Thread Carl Sassenrath
We are gearing up to release REBOL/Core 2.6. This is the same REBOL kernel used for REBOL/Link and REBOL/Serve (in IOS Express). It includes numerous bug fixes and a few new features. It is numbered as 2.6 (rather than 2.5.x) because it introduces a change in the interpreter to make it easier t

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread Terry Brownell
> What about a collaboration between us to make our Morpheus and show the > world what Rebol is ?? I second the motion. TBrownell - Original Message - From: "Philippe Oehler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 5:42 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Morp

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread Robbo1Mark
JASON, Iam not proposing "open source" here what IAM saying is that any P2P system should be based on a transparent and open system just like previous examples TCP/IP and SMTP for email and HTTP/HTML for the world wide web. If you look at the history of the internet and networking I'll think y

[REBOL] Rebol/Arcadia bugfix was: [Re: Re: ANN: Rebol/Arcadia beta public release]

2002-03-06 Thread Cyphre
Hello Carl and all, I found the problem, here it is ;-) >> load-thru/binary http://www.nothing.com == none >> load-thru/binary http://dsofhiosdf == none ...so I had to add simple recursive check if each image downloaded succesfully. If loader failed to download the image 10 times an "Connecti

[REBOL] Re: [subject: error and trial]

2002-03-06 Thread Romano Paolo Tenca
As you know, 'unbound was my preferred by me, but this is against your (old?) idea that the undefined/special words are bound to a undefined/special context. --- Ciao Romano - Original Message - From: "Ladislav Mecir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 06,

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread Jason Cunliffe
> Just hope Carl or REBOL aren't thinking or planning any stupid proprietary P2P system, Morpheous and others are already competing in the space with varying degrees of success and failure, and Iam confident that the only way any internet distribution system is going to succeed is by being based o

[REBOL] Re: What's Up Rebol?

2002-03-06 Thread Ralph Roberts
> > > > Why is the book "Rebol The Official Guide" called The Official > > Guide? > > > > Because it was officially blessed as such by RT. In my opinion (to > repeat the disclaimer) that blessing may have been considered a good > compensation for someone off the payroll taking on the challenge

[REBOL] Re: What's Up Rebol?

2002-03-06 Thread Joel Neely
Hi, Jim, Here are the opinions of one random guy (me ;-)... Jim Richards wrote: > > Why aren't more programmers adopting the language? > Not all programmers get to chose the languages in which they work. Often one's employer/client mandates a language (or small set of possible languages) base

[REBOL] Re: ANN: Rebol/Arcadia beta public release + FYI4

2002-03-06 Thread Cyphre
- Original Message - From: "X" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: ANN: Rebol/Arcadia beta public release + FYI4 >Runs OK for me. But I can't get into well where the REAL FUN begins. >Cyphre, what's wrong? ;-) ... Th

[REBOL] Re: What's Up Rebol?

2002-03-06 Thread Chris
Jim Richards wrote: Yow, no wordwrap... ;) > keep coming back to Rebol. Why? Because it is a brilliant work > of art. There is nothing out there that can compare to Rebols' > simplicity and uniqueness. So, I am forced to ask myself a lot > of questions. Here's my take on some of them -

[REBOL] Re: What's Up Rebol?

2002-03-06 Thread X
Hi Jim, it's obvious you don't understand REBOL bussines model. Neither do I. And I'm afraid if somebody at RT understands it. (: no don't take me seriously, just joking :) reBolek (REBOL/Demo team) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ji

[REBOL] Re: Looking for help

2002-03-06 Thread Robbo1Mark
Gabrielle, Business Management & Economics is what I qualified in at degree level at University so all this appeals to me. It seems to me that you are doing that which I discussed in my previous post and using your REBOL skills as a vital component part in your overall customised business solut

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread Jason Cunliffe
> uh, what do you suppose he meant by that? dunno.. echoes of rowan+martins's laugh-in?? > - Original Message - > From: "Carl Sassenrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:01 PM > Subject: [REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth? > > > >

[REBOL] Re: Looking for help

2002-03-06 Thread Maarten Koopmans
Hi Gabriele, If you want to protect yourself, ask a fee for commercial use, like RT does. This is acceptable for most people, as they already pay to much to develop in other environments. Another option may be to keep it to yourself, and convince people to use REBOL based on other grounds, o

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread Philippe Oehler
What about a collaboration between us to make our Morpheus and show the world what Rebol is ?? - Original Message - From: "Petr Krenzelok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth? > > > chaz wro

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread Maarten Koopmans
Combined with C/S, or is P2P just a way of viewing things on a connection-oriented network anyway? And isn't there a broker out there that handles transparent communication tunneled over HTTP with high security? Interesting it will be. --Maarten > Ah, P2P... interesting... very interestin

[REBOL] Problems handling large txt files with open/direct/binary

2002-03-06 Thread j m
Hi all, I am processing a large text data file (over 100 MB) in a Linux RH 7.2 box with 256 MB memory. I tried to use open/direct/lines but I had problems with lines above 4096 chars so I use open/direct/binary and the following function to read lines: read-lines: func [ f [port!] /local line

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread Petr Krenzelok
chaz wrote: > uh, what do you suppose he meant by that? > hehe, that knows only Carl :-) Carl was interested in P2P discussion in IOS Conference too, so he joined us once there was talk about P2P issues. Maybe RT has something interesting in the pocket? (I doubt that because they have no free

[REBOL] What's Up Rebol?

2002-03-06 Thread Jim Richards
Hello to all, I'm not sure if this is the right place for this but your going to get it anyway. I feel a real need to vent. I have been tinkering with and watching the progression of Rebol for approx. two years now. I am a Unix Systems Administrator/Programming Hack. I have worked with Pe

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread Robbo1Mark
Chaz, I'm not sure what the point of even posting such a cryptic and obscure message is , but it's good to see carl is still alive, his first post in a *long* time. Just hope Carl or REBOL aren't thinking or planning any stupid proprietary P2P system, Morpheous and others are already competing

[REBOL] Re: ANN: Rebol/Arcadia beta public release

2002-03-06 Thread Carl Read
On 06-Mar-02, Cyphre wrote: > Hi all, > I tried it several times but without problems. The problem is > probably that the downloaded images was either distorted during the > transfer of some of them failed to download?? Anyway I'll look into > it... If you have still problems with running it jus

[REBOL] Re: ANN: Rebol/Arcadia beta public release + FYI4

2002-03-06 Thread X
Runs OK for me. But I can't get into well where the REAL FUN begins. Cyphre, what's wrong? ;-) Anyway, my mailbox is full of demos but I still need more (mainly because its full of my demos :). You have only 9 days or so, so to encourage you little bit here is another small piece. This time it's

[REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth?

2002-03-06 Thread chaz
uh, what do you suppose he meant by that? - Original Message - From: "Carl Sassenrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Morpheus - the bitter thruth? > Ah, P2P... interesting... very interesting. > > -Carl > > At 3/3/

[REBOL] Re: Looking for help

2002-03-06 Thread Gabriele Santilli
Hi Robbo1Mark, On Tuesday, March 05, 2002, 8:35:23 PM, you wrote: Rac> Do you reasonably expect to be able to make money Rac> from the commercial use of your REBOL scripts? Not in this particular case, actually. Well, maybe people will find it useful and will pay for it, but it has been develop

[REBOL] Re: ANN: Rebol/Arcadia beta public release

2002-03-06 Thread Cyphre
Hi all, I tried it several times but without problems. The problem is probably that the downloaded images was either distorted during the transfer of some of them failed to download?? Anyway I'll look into it... If you have still problems with running it just delete whole view/public/www.sweb.cz

[REBOL] Re: [subject: error and trial]

2002-03-06 Thread pat665
Hi Ladislav, I vote for Unbound? Patrick - Original Message - From: "Ladislav Mecir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: [subject: error and trial] > Hi all, > > thanks to Holger for his explanation, > > <> > ... > A

[REBOL] Re: [subject: error and trial]

2002-03-06 Thread Ladislav Mecir
Hi all, thanks to Holger for his explanation, <> ... A better name would be unbound?. ... <> I feel, that the word 'undefined? may be confusing too. If we can agree on a better notion, I will change my text. Any votes (or other candidates)? Cheers L -- To unsubscribe from this list, plea

[REBOL] Re: ANN: Rebol/Arcadia beta public release

2002-03-06 Thread James Marsden
Petr Krenzelok wrote: > hmm, works for me here. Are you starting it from View desktop or just 'do-ing > the URL in console? I started it from desktop and everything went OK. Tried it from both the console and desktop modes. Same error. View version is: 1.2.1.3.1 (dated 21-Jun-2001). OS: Windows