[recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Bruce Baird MP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kerry Bartlett MP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christine Gallus MP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Petro Georgiou MP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brendan Nelson MP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Nugent MP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christopher Pyne MP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Danna Vale MP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senator

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Graham Young
of gall. Graham Y - Original Message - From: Trudy and Rod Bray To: RecOzNet2 Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators Bruce Baird MP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kerry Bartlett MP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christine Gallus

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
? Even today's stories in the SMH might cause some to rethink.You know what they say about a drop of honey being better than a gallon of gall.Graham Y - Original Message - From: Trudy and Rod Bray To: RecOzNet2 Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread tdunlop
Trudy is basically right - on the surface it does seem as if the 'Liberal Nine' have put careers ahead of principle. Still, it might be too early to tell (as she has suggested) whether they have just beaten a tactical retreat or if they are in fact 'Howard's Cowards'. It's one thing to vote

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Funny, how people see things differently! ;-) When I heard him say that last night, I thought it was a Howard inspired cop-out. This is just the sort of thing Howard would say to confuse the issue and misdirect the focus of what was really being discussed. IF, and it's a big 'if', politicians

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread ozbrays
I don't see the others as cowards because they are just being themselves. They never claimed to have a conscience and hold out crossing the floor only to back down and slink away when Howard put his foot down. The dissenters had the numbers to pass the bill. Crossing the floor is not unknown

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Hi Tim, I searched high and low for that letter in the print edition and the online version and it has not been published. Maybe they will do so tomorrow for the weekend edition but if they don't, I will contact the Herald and ask about it. Trudy tdunlop wrote: PS: Trudy: Have you come

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Sandy Sanders
Graham's probably right, and really, it's the other Libs, the ones who wouldn't even put their hands up, who are the cowards here. Nelson et al have at least declared themselves on this issue, and can possibly be helpful in a future challenge to the laws. The issue isn't going to go away.

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread tdunlop
Trudy wrote: When I heard him say that last night, I thought it was a Howard inspired cop-out. This is just the sort of thing Howard would say to confuse the issue and misdirect the focus of what was really being discussed. IF, and it's a big 'if', politicians really behaved like that, there

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
tdunlop wrote: My only point was really to address the question of how we know we are right about something, but maybe that wasn't clear. To that extent Nelson's comments were interesting, even if they apparently duped people like me. I wasn't implying you were duped. People who care and