RE: Should we stay with M$

2003-10-02 Thread Bill Anderson
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 10:27, Jason Tesser wrote: > OpenOffice can connect to a database. It nativly supports MySql through the jodbc > driver. > And PostgreSQL. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-13 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 09:41:22AM -0400, Anthony E. Greene wrote: > You obviously know this, but I think it's necessary to mention that there > is at least one ACL system for Linux. Yes, and several for Unix. But ACLs don't fill the same bill--they're not pervasive, even in Unix implementations

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-13 Thread Ed Wilts
On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 09:41:22AM -0400, Anthony E. Greene wrote: > On 11-Sep-2003/15:54 -0500, Dave Ihnat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 01:58:59PM -0500, B McAndrews wrote: > >> Could someone staighten me out here. When did Unix based system become > >> the bastion of se

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-13 Thread Ed Wilts
> On 11-Sep-2003/13:58 -0500, B McAndrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Could someone staighten me out here. When did Unix based system become >the bastion of security? In a former lifetime, I used to work on >VAX/VMS for classified (as in military) work. I can't remember the >issues, but whe

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-13 Thread Martin Marques
El Sáb 13 Sep 2003 10:41, Anthony E. Greene escribió: > On 11-Sep-2003/15:54 -0500, Dave Ihnat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> In a former lifetime, I used to work on VAX/VMS for classified (as > >> in military) work. I can't remember the issues, but when we started > >> moving off the VAX/VMS

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-13 Thread Anthony E. Greene
On 11-Sep-2003/15:54 -0500, Dave Ihnat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 01:58:59PM -0500, B McAndrews wrote: >> Could someone staighten me out here. When did Unix based system become >> the bastion of security? > >Ever since the standard it is compared to is Microsoft... > >> I

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-13 Thread Anthony E. Greene
On 11-Sep-2003/13:58 -0500, B McAndrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Stop. Your response is nothing but pure fanboyism. This type of >>> advocacy is ignorant and does nothing to advance OSS in the industry. >>> Allow me to retort: >>> >> > Security MS = bad, linux=good > >Could someone staig

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-13 Thread Anthony E. Greene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11-Sep-2003/10:57 -0500, Dave Ihnat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 10:08:01AM -0400, Reuben D. Budiardja wrote: >> If you only need a personal db, then it's really up to you to keep using >> Access, although there are open sour

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-13 Thread Anthony E. Greene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11-Sep-2003/10:08 -0400, "Reuben D. Budiardja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If you only need a personal db, then it's really up to you to keep using >Access, although there are open source solution for something like that >too (eg. openoffice). I h

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-12 Thread Anthony E. Greene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11-Sep-2003/07:05 -0500, Jason Tesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyways, my question is could someone send me info links or anything like >that that could aid me in explaining why Access programming, if that is >what you call it, and staying depen

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-12 Thread Ian L
What are you going to be using this for? Are you talking about windows vs linux in a server environment? or desktop? if its desktop, i'd go with windows. Most people are already familiar with it, and its easy for just about any level of use to find software for it. For server ... guess it depen

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Hal Burgiss
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 01:58:59PM -0500, B McAndrews wrote: > >Stop. Your response is nothing but pure fanboyism. This type of > >> advocacy is ignorant and does nothing to advance OSS in the industry. > >> Allow me to retort: > >> > > > >>> > Security MS = bad, linux=good > > Could someone sta

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 01:58:59PM -0500, B McAndrews wrote: > Could someone staighten me out here. When did Unix based system become > the bastion of security? Ever since the standard it is compared to is Microsoft... > In a former lifetime, I used to work on VAX/VMS for classified (as > in mi

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Graham Leggett
B McAndrews wrote: Could someone staighten me out here. When did Unix based system become the bastion of security? In a former lifetime, I used to work on VAX/VMS for classified (as in military) work. I can't remember the issues, but when we started moving off the VAX/VMS over to Unix works

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Benjamin J. Weiss
> All this I understand. Though you can get Apache for Windoze. I agree with you though. Okay, how about this: How many Windoze virii/worms/trojans have come out in the last year? (Hint: Check out http://www.cert.org or http://www.sans.org ). How much productivity has been lost in just the l

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread B McAndrews
>Stop. Your response is nothing but pure fanboyism. This type of >> advocacy is ignorant and does nothing to advance OSS in the industry. >> Allow me to retort: >> > >>> > Security MS = bad, linux=good Could someone staighten me out here. When did Unix based system become the bastion of securit

RE: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Wade Chandler
t may only run on Windows Hope that helps Wade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Ihnat Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Should we stay with M$ On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 10:08:01AM -04

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Paul Smith
If you're looking for stuff to show people who like facts and numbers more than use cases, and especially if they've been influenced by the various MS-sponsored "independent" comparisons, then this is far and away the best site I've found: http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html Very crunchy!!

RE: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Jason Tesser
esser Web/Multimedia Programmer Northland Baptist Bible College (715)324-6900 ext. 3055 -Original Message- From: Martin Moss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:38 AM To: Red Hat Mailing List Subject: Re: Should we stay with M$ Easy Tiger:-) I know you're

RE: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Jason Tesser
:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Should we stay with M$ On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 10:08:01AM -0400, Reuben D. Budiardja wrote: > If you only need a personal db, then it's really up to you to keep using > Access, although there are open source solution for something like that

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 10:08:01AM -0400, Reuben D. Budiardja wrote: > If you only need a personal db, then it's really up to you to keep using > Access, although there are open source solution for something like that too > (eg. openoffice). Just to clarify--unless something has changed recentl

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Dave Ihnat
I'm really not going to get started in this one...well, except: On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 09:52:04AM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: > The one advantage Linux/OSS has over the proprietary market is a > *proven* track record of fast patching. *This* is where Linux/OSS > excels. Well, actually, in your at

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Martin Moss
Easy Tiger:-) I know you're not trying to be patronising, its cool, however I do have some counter points though:- > Stop. Your response is nothing but pure fanboyism. This type of > advocacy is ignorant and does nothing to advance OSS in the industry. > Allow me to retort: > > > Security MS =

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Reuben D. Budiardja
On Thursday 11 September 2003 08:05 am, Jason Tesser wrote: > Anyways, my question is could someone send me info links or anything like > that that could aid me in explaining why Access programming, if that is > what you call it, and staying dependant to M$ for that matter, would not be > a good th

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Jason Dixon
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 08:34, Martin Moss wrote: > Security MS = bad, linux=good, > Access is not a Database Server, unlike SQL Server, mysql is. > All software you could want to use on linux is free, as is Linux, unless you > wish to purchase a set of CD's. MS is not. > Apache Vs IIS, no competitio

RE: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> staying dependant to M$ for > that matter, would not be a good thing to persue for our future. We are > having a tech meeting soon > where we will be discusing our future direction and I want to go into that > meeting with information and examples. Thank you The following website has a lot of

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Sean Estabrooks
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:05:45 -0500 "Jason Tesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyways, my question is could someone send me info links or anything like > that that could aid me in explaining why Access programming, if that is what > you call it, and staying dependant to M$ for that matter, woul

RE: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Jason Tesser
AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Should we stay with M$ Security MS = bad, linux=good, Access is not a Database Server, unlike SQL Server, mysql is. All software you could want to use on linux is free, as is Linux, unless you wish to purchase a set of CD's. MS is not. Apache Vs II

Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Martin Moss
Security MS = bad, linux=good, Access is not a Database Server, unlike SQL Server, mysql is. All software you could want to use on linux is free, as is Linux, unless you wish to purchase a set of CD's. MS is not. Apache Vs IIS, no competition. Marty - Original Message - From: "Jason T