Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Monday, June 04, 2012 01:26:01 Kevin Kofler wrote: > On Monday 04 June 2012, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > It's not about hurting or not (that it does, see how Martin got confused > > and probably lost time wondering how something like that could be > > happening). > > Oh, and what Martin actua

Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Sunday, June 03, 2012 20:46:56 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > I don't want to blame anyone (that's why I did not name the distros). Well, it's a specific distro pushing out packages too early to its users (and in this case, a group that doesn't understand that these are not 4.8.80 packages until we

Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Jonathan Riddell
To get some more info for this discussion I asked about Gnome They put tars on their public ftp server on the Monday and release on the Wednesday 09:49 < Riddell> didrocks: doesn't that lead to lots of comments on news sites and user forums "gnome 3.2 is released, why don't I have packages yet

Re: nepomuk-core needs unreleased Soprano

2012-06-04 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Sunday, June 3, 2012 11:47:02 Harry Miller wrote: > > The number of developers who need to be hit by a bus for the > > project to be > > destroyed. 1 means there's a single point of failure (you), > > i.e., whenever you > > aren't available for whatever reason (such as the past few > > days), ev

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday, June 4, 2012 00:52:47 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > Bad: > * We lose some of the storm since we are "late" to our own release :D we've also had situations in the past where tarballs have been made, a critical problem uncovered, fixes made, a re-roll happens ... and hopefully no users ha

Re: nepomuk-core needs unreleased Soprano

2012-06-04 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday, June 4, 2012 11:18:08 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > do with blame or responsibility, but rather ensuring that there are enough e.. i meant to write "blame or scapegoating" :) -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. _

Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
On Monday 04 June 2012, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > That means that people report bugs against different incarnations of the > same packages, which makes bugs hard to find -- it doesn't work as we > can't verify the exact state of the code a bug is filed against. That almost never makes a difference

Re: Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 04 June 2012 10:52:13 you wrote: > On Sunday, June 03, 2012 20:46:56 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > > I don't want to blame anyone (that's why I did not name the distros). > > Well, it's a specific distro pushing out packages too early to its users > (and in this case, a group that doesn't under

Re: Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 04 June 2012 15:18:11 Kevin Kofler wrote: > On Monday 04 June 2012, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > That means that people report bugs against different incarnations of the > > same packages, which makes bugs hard to find -- it doesn't work as we > > can't verify the exact state of the code a

Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Friedrich W. H. Kossebau
Am Montag, 4. Juni 2012, 18:01:29 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: > On Monday 04 June 2012 15:18:11 Kevin Kofler wrote: > > On Monday 04 June 2012, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > > That means that people report bugs against different incarnations of the > > > same packages, which makes bugs hard to find -- it

Re: Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 04 June 2012 18:34:40 Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote: > This issue is even a bigger problem if your fellow developers compile your > code from scratch and then file a bug by version "Compiled from sources". > Should happen much more often, no? :) quite the opposite. Most users who actuall

4.8.80 is out

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
Good job everyone! If you want to be added to http://kde.org/info/4.8.80.php#binary send the releast team list patches for http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/info/binary-4.8.80.inc?view=log Cheers, Albert ___ release-team mailing list release

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Dirk Mueller
On Monday 04 June 2012, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > In contrast to the privilege of early access to unreleased tarballs we ask > the packagers to follow this rules: > * Do not make the packages available to your users (even in development > branches) before the official tarballs are announced Thi

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Will Stephenson
On Sunday 03 Jun 2012 22:28:31 Michael Pyne wrote: > I like to view it as we have specific points-of-contact within the various > distributions who have agreed to interact directly with us, the KDE > developers and community in order to deliver the best possible KDE for > their distribution. As s

Re: Request for delaying 4.8.4 request

2012-06-04 Thread Dirk Mueller
On Saturday 02 June 2012, Alex Fiestas wrote: > I think I fixed fstab support for solid, the patch is pending review: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105132/ > > Being 4.8.4 the last stable release (at least according to the release > schedule) it will be very sad if we release it without thi

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Manuel Tortosa
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 22:33:55, Will Stephenson va escriure: > Most distros are offering packaged git snapshots perfectly legitimately > anyway. I think these rules are an overreaction to Martin's complaint > about the beta1 announce and undo, and would write that off as an > acci

Re: KDE SC 4.8.5??

2012-06-04 Thread Dirk Müller
On Monday 28 May 2012, Allen Winter wrote: > Is anyone strongly in favor of KDE SC 4.8.5? Hi, not necessarily in favor, but in case there are urgent issues we might be reconsidering it. IMHO we should revisit the topic in 2 months and then decide if it is worth it. With other words, we ke

Re: KDE SC 4.8.5??

2012-06-04 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Monday, June 04, 2012 22:36:16 Dirk Müller wrote: > On Monday 28 May 2012, Allen Winter wrote: > > Is anyone strongly in favor of KDE SC 4.8.5? > > Hi, > > not necessarily in favor, but in case there are urgent issues we might be > reconsidering it. > > IMHO we should revisit the topic in

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Michael Pyne
On Monday, June 04, 2012 00:11:32 Scott Kitterman wrote: > Sorry for breaking threading. I wasn't subscribed when this was sent, so I > had to copy/paste from the web archive. > > > So it turns I'm undecided and don't know if we should un-tighthen the > > > first > > > point to something like > >

Re: Re: Request for delaying 4.8.4 request

2012-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
On Monday 04 June 2012, Alex Fiestas wrote: > Not including this patch will mean not having fstab support until 4.9 > (since we won't have 4.8.5). Why aren't we doing .5 releases anymore? Those .5 releases have always been welcome when they were done (which went back and forth). I also don't see

Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 01:26:01, Kevin Kofler va escriure: > On Monday 04 June 2012, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > It's not about hurting or not (that it does, see how Martin got confused > > and probably lost time wondering how something like that could be > > happening). > > Oh, an

Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Diumenge, 3 de juny de 2012, a les 23:54:30, Scott Kitterman va escriure: > On Monday, June 04, 2012 01:20:33 AM Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 00:51:30, Kevin Kofler va escriure: > > > On Monday 04 June 2012, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > > I know building pa

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 00:11:32, Scott Kitterman va escriure: > Sorry for breaking threading. I wasn't subscribed when this was sent, so I > had to copy/paste from the web archive. > > > On Monday, June 04, 2012 00:52:47 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > My proposal: > > > > > > *

Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 06:31:56, Martin Gräßlin va escriure: > On Monday 04 June 2012 01:26:01 Kevin Kofler wrote: > > On Monday 04 June 2012, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > It's not about hurting or not (that it does, see how Martin got confused > > > and probably lost time wonderin

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 22:33:55, Will Stephenson va escriure: > On Sunday 03 Jun 2012 22:28:31 Michael Pyne wrote: > > I like to view it as we have specific points-of-contact within the various > > distributions who have agreed to interact directly with us, the KDE > > developers and

Re: Missing french documentation for kstars in 4.8.3/4.8.4

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 23:17:25, Philip Muskovac va escriure: > Hi, Hi > we just got pointed to the fact that in the 4.8.3 release the french kstars > documentation was removed [1]. That was done in svn rev 1292134 as it > doesn't seem to build anymore. > While we appreciate that y

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, June 04, 2012 05:34:03 PM Michael Pyne wrote: > On Monday, June 04, 2012 00:11:32 Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Sorry for breaking threading. I wasn't subscribed when this was sent, so > > I had to copy/paste from the web archive. > > > > > > So it turns I'm undecided and don't know if we

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, June 05, 2012 12:56:36 AM Albert Astals Cid wrote: > El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 00:11:32, Scott Kitterman va escriure: > > Sorry for breaking threading. I wasn't subscribed when this was sent, so > > I > > had to copy/paste from the web archive. > > > > > On Monday, June 04,