Apologies Re: Fw: DC bar event

2004-05-27 Thread ArtSpitzer
In a message dated 5/27/04 11:14:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just got this from the listserv, and thought you'd want to know that's where it went.  :-) My apologies.  I have no idea how I hit "reply" and sent a message to this list! Art Spitzer ___

Re: DC bar event

2004-05-27 Thread ArtSpitzer
In a message dated 5/27/04 5:51:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you picked a date? Did I miss something? Thanks Monday July 12, lunchtime.  SORRY I forgot to convey that!  Are you still available? Art ___ To post, send message to [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Steven Jamar
On Thursday, May 27, 2004, at 10:49 AM, Rick Duncan wrote: I think the point is that from an economic perspective, there is little or no difference between a targeted $1,000 tax and a targeted exclusion from a generally available $1,000 benefit. One difference in practice would be that all the ta

Re: DC bar event

2004-05-27 Thread Tony Mauro
Art, Have you picked a date? Did I miss something? Thanks -- Tony Mauro Supreme Court Correspondent Legal Times/ American Lawyer Media 1730 M St., Suite 802, Washington, DC 20036 Phone: 202-828-0327 Fax: 202-457-0718 ___ To post, send message to [EMA

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread lweinberg
I guess there is a difference between the questions whether a state may target religion by imposing a tax on it and whether a state may avoid taxing others to pay for religion. Louise Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:49 AM 5/27/04, Rick wrote: If it is pure rational basis, I guess the legitimate

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread A.E. Brownstein
I was going to respond to Doug along these lines - but Marty beat me to it and wrote a lot better post than I would have. Alan Brownstein UC Davis At 03:13 PM 5/27/2004 -0400, you wrote: I agree with Doug that, as a practical matter, the denial of the scholarship operated as a penalty on Davey'

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Marty Lederman
I agree with Doug that, as a practical matter, the denial of the scholarship operated as a penalty on Davey's choice of majoring in theology -- what we would ordinarily think of as an unconstitutional condition:  Davey's religious choice realistically prevented him from using the $$ even to

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Douglas Laycock
Alan Brownstein wrote: > For the same reason in Locke, if the student majors in theology at a college he pays for with his own funds, he can not be denied > a scholarship for his other studies. Well, actually, he could be and he was. If he declared a major in Theology, he lost the scho

RE: Follow up as to the baptisms in the park

2004-05-27 Thread Volokh, Eugene
1) It seems to me that even if the prohibition evenhandedly applies to political and religious activities -- not at all clear given some of the other statements that seem to be more focused on religious activities, or even religious activities except a few favored ones -- it would still be

Re: Follow up as to the baptisms in the park

2004-05-27 Thread Mark Tushnet
I don't read the manager as saying that "most public religious activities" are prohibited "in the park." As I read him, he's saying that such activities are allowed, but only in the shelters (as is true, as I read it, of political rallies and events by private companies [which I suppose might

RE: Follow up as to the baptisms in the park

2004-05-27 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I definitely take the view that religious speech and expressive conduct may not be treated more favorably than political speech and expressive conduct. Eugene > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Marty Lederman > Sent:

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread A.E. Brownstein
I don't know that I can explain or rationalize constitutional doctrine relating to taxes and subsidies, but the distinction between taxes and subsidies, burdens and benefits, takings and givings is fairly pervasive in constitutional law -- so much so that it is hardly surprising when the Court

Re: Follow up as to the baptisms in the park

2004-05-27 Thread Marty Lederman
Eugene: Putting aside (if you can) the question whether it is permissible for the park to confine "political activities" to "a reserved shelter or room so they do not interfere with other park patrons," do you agree that religious activities should not -- must not? -- be treated more favorably tha

Follow up as to the baptisms in the park

2004-05-27 Thread Volokh, Eugene
It looks like there is a policy of prohibiting most public religious activities in the park. Wouldn't that be unconstitutional in a traditional public forum (which the park, though not the river, likely is), even if there is no discrimination? But it would also be some evidence that there

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Stuart BUCK
Obviously it's a framing bias, right? The two policies are equivalent in economic terms: The person who studies theology is $1000 worse off than everyone else. Our intuitions might be to treat the policies differently, but isn't that irrational? It's like opposing the gas station's "credit c

RE: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Kim Colby
Rick's discussion touches a point that I find particularly troubling about the Locke decision. Rick is correct that Joshua Davey could have kept the scholarship if he had double enrolled at two colleges and used the scholarship to pay for tuition at the college where he had not declared a theology

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Rick Duncan
Doug and Marty's intuitions are mine as well. I am just trying to figure out reasoning that decides Locke one way and the tax case the other. Another distinction emhasized by Locke and which forms part of its narrow holding is that in Locke the student could still keep the scholarship (in theory a

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Douglas Laycock
Rick Duncan wrote: I think the point is that from an economic perspective, there is little or no difference between a targeted $1,000 tax and a targeted exclusion from a generally available $1,000 benefit. The Court has specifically made this point on many occasions including, I believe, in Sherber

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Rick Duncan
--- Marty Lederman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What would be the conceivable state interest in > imposing such a targeted tax? Assuming there is no > legitimate interest in singling out "theology from a > devotional perspective," the classification would > violate the Equal Protection Clause, an

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Rick Duncan
If it is pure rational basis, I guess the legitimate interest might be in raising revenue. The law is generally very deferential toward classifications concerning tax policy, even toward classifications that appear irrational(just look at the IRC for an infinity of examples). I think the point is

Re: Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Marty Lederman
What would be the conceivable state interest in imposing such a targeted tax?  Assuming there is no legitimate interest in singling out "theology from a devotional perspective," the classification would violate the Equal Protection Clause, and presumably the Free Exercise Clause as well, per

Tax On Theology Majors

2004-05-27 Thread Rick Duncan
Suppose a state enacted a $1,000 per year tax on students majoring in theology from a devotional perspective. Would this violate Free Ex under Locke? Would it be unlawful viewpoint discrimination under the FSC? Rick = Rick Duncan Welpton Professor of Law University of Nebraska College of La