RE: 130 Muslim workers fired over unauthorized breaks during Ramadan

2008-09-12 Thread Friedman, Howard M.
>From time to time over the years, I had Muslim students in an early evening >class during Ramadan. Typically they bring some food and a bottle of water to >class and inconspicuously eat something during class at sunset. I never had a >student ask me to schedule a class break at sundown so he/sh

RE: 130 Muslim workers fired over unauthorized breaks during Ramadan

2008-09-12 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I realize that if the Muslim breaking of the fast after Ramadan is a religious ritual like the Seder, or very close to it, then my question becomes moot. But do we know that this is indeed so for Muslims? Eugene From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailt

RE: 130 Muslim workers fired over unauthorized breaks during Ramadan

2008-09-12 Thread David E. Guinn
I think one problem you run into is that "breaking the fast" is an act with significant religious and cultural meaning. I don't know if it can be characterised as a religious rite -- but it is very, very close to one if not. While taking an energy bar or water meets the physical need, that wou

RE: 130 Muslim workers fired over unauthorized breaks during Ramadan

2008-09-12 Thread Scarberry, Mark
Per the Naval Observatory (http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_pap.pl), sunset today in LA will be at 7:03pm PDT. I gather Ramadan ends at about the end of September this year, when sunset will be at 6:37PDT. What if the same break time is needed for all or nearly all workers (because they are worki

RE: 130 Muslim workers fired over unauthorized breaks during Ramadan

2008-09-12 Thread Conkle, Daniel O.
Oops. My reference to free exercise/RFRA/RLUIPA was mistaken, since this is a Title VII issue. Sorry about that. But I think the issues are similar. - Dan Conkle From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Conkle, Daniel O. Sent: Friday, Se

RE: 130 Muslim workers fired over unauthorized breaks during Ramadan

2008-09-12 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I appreciate Doug's practical point, but I was wondering whether this is enough to make the breaking of the fast an "aspect[] of religious observance and practice." One more question: Assume that Swift doesn't offer a break, but doesn't object to people's having an energy bar or drinking

RE: 130 Muslim workers fired over unauthorized breaks during Ramadan

2008-09-12 Thread Conkle, Daniel O.
I tend to agree with Doug (which is generally a safe position to take), but Eugene's question is interesting. Is it fair to describe the question as follows: Is conduct that *facilitates* religious exercise properly protected no less than the religious exercise itself? Perhaps only if the fac

RFRA lawsuit against mandated "tagging of livestock with RFID chips"

2008-09-12 Thread Volokh, Eugene
(There's also a Michigan Constitution religious freedom claim against the Michigan Department of Agriculture.) http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/farmers-decryin.html A group of community farmers, some of them Amish, are challenging rules requiring the tagging of livestock with RFID chip

Re: 130 Muslim workers fired over unauthorized breaks during Ramadan

2008-09-12 Thread Douglas Laycock
So if they have already passed the point where they have a mandatory lunch break under federal law, even though none of them eat, a break at sunset would be a second break, with more than de minimis cost, and therefore not required under TWA v. Hardison, the leading case on Title VII accommoda

Re: 130 Muslim workers fired over unauthorized breaks during Ramadan

2008-09-12 Thread Steven Jamar
reasonable accommodation requirement is a federal law requirement. so the question would be when the accommodation requirement of Title VII conflicts with a labor standard, what happens. But there is not necessarily a conflict here. The accommodation requirement is almost, but not quite, toothle

RE: 130 Muslim workers fired over unauthorized breaks during Ramadan

2008-09-12 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Doug's analysis may well be quite right, but let me ask this: Does it matter whether (1) the sunset lunch break is seen by Muslims as a religious exercise or (2) the sunset lunch break is seen by Muslims as a way of avoiding discomfort and possible health problems that may stem from not eat

Re: 130 Muslim workers fired over unauthorized breaks during Ramadan

2008-09-12 Thread Alan Leigh Armstrong
Swift also has a federal law and perhaps a state law problem. Federal law requires that employees who work a shift longer than 6 hours must take a 30 minute lunch break. The lunch break cannot be more than 5 hours 30 minutes after they start. (I ran into this many years ago when i worked for