RE: Summum

2009-03-26 Thread Rick Duncan
I agree with Doug that unlike political issues, "we don't need to vote to determine what religion we are."   But much govt speech is not about political issues and elections. A lot of government speech "endorsing" religion has to do with govt recognizing religious holidays and recognizing religi

Interesting article with church/state ramifications

2009-03-26 Thread Brad Pardee
>From the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life The Political Obligations of Catholics: A Conversation With the Most Rev. Charles Chaput, Archbishop of Denver http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=213 Thought this might be of interest here Brad___ To pos

RE: Summum

2009-03-26 Thread Scarberry, Mark
Parks, streets and sidewalks have never been seen as forums for placement of permanent monuments by anyone who wished to do so. Now, if the city prohibited you from holding an anti-Ten-Commandments-monument rally in the park, next to the Ten Commandments monument, we'd have more to talk about. Mar

RE: Summum

2009-03-26 Thread Bezanson, Randall P
I'm late to the discussion, but the opinion left me wondering what every happened to "parks, streets and sidewalks" as the historic fora for free speech under the First Amendment? Can the government simply eliminate a park from traditional public space for speech by the expedient of claiming th

RE: Summum

2009-03-26 Thread Douglas Laycock
Actually, I raised Rick's question in class today. Not with respect to Summum, which we haven't gotten to yet, but with respect to the difference between the remedy in Barnette and the remedy in Engel and Schempp. Students pretty quickly decided that government couldn't govern if it couldn't

RE: Summum

2009-03-26 Thread Michael R. Masinter
I don't agree than the no endorsement rule is a structural rule rather than a liberty protecting rule. Justice O'Connor elaborated a liberty interest that lies behind the no endorsement rule; it is the interest of each citizen in being an equal member of the polity without regard to religi

RE: Summum

2009-03-26 Thread Rick Duncan
I appreciate Alan's many good points about the EC. Of course, we all discuss all of these points when we cover the EC in our classes. My post about Alito's opinion in Summam--in which he describes the government's ability to choose its own message and its own viewpoints as essential to the cond

RE: Summum

2009-03-26 Thread Brownstein, Alan
Just a few quick points. 1. There is nothing in Justice Alito's comments that limit his remarks about government speech to "passive" government speech. Government can say what it wants to say actively or passively. If government has unlimited discretion in communicating its own messages and tha

Summum

2009-03-26 Thread Rick Duncan
Here are some thoughts of mine I am sharing today with the students in my Con law Seminar in which one of the students is presenting today on Summam: I was re-reading Summum this morning, because Mark is going to give his presentation on the case this afternoon. And here is something that struck