Re: (no subject)

2004-07-02 Thread Robert Obrien
Yes, the decision in Leyla Sahin v.Turkey was handed down on June 29.  The central argument is found in paragraphs 104-106 and is essentially the same as the argument for such a prohibition in the Stasi Report.  Three points might be made here: (1) Sahin deals with a student's objection to a

Re: Justice Thomas in Newdow

2004-06-18 Thread Robert Obrien
Two stories:  (1) I once represented a teacher who for five years left the room during the opening prayer at the initial teachers meeting.  After five years he refused to continue and complained to the Superintendent. In writing she scorned his objection.  A suit changed things. (By the way,

Re: The President and the Pope

2004-06-15 Thread Robert Obrien
Title: Message Eugene offered: >   Sorry to sound like a broken record, but I wonder how this would have played out in other contexts.  For instance, the abolitionist movement, the civil rights movement, and various anti-war and other movements have involved political-religious alliances on

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-04 Thread Robert Obrien
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Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-04 Thread Robert Obrien
I am at a loss to understand why the issue of marriage is such a big deal. Protestants do not consider marriage a sacrament; therefore, whether people get married is religiously irrelevant. The Roman Catholic Church refuses to recognize divorces granted by the state. Judaism grants divorces whic

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-04 Thread Robert Obrien
Paul Finkelman wrote: > well, Jim, some countries do not define marriage that way at all; the > French don't let the state do marriages. I suspect that Finkelman used the word "state" where he meant "church." Below is a section on French marriage law provided by the State Deparment: "French l

French Scarves

2004-04-16 Thread Robert Obrien
I will be putting together an article on the Stasi Report and the subsequent French law.  I will welcome citation of any relevant articles.   Bob O'Brien NTMail K12 - the Mail Server for Education ___ To post, send message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To sub

RE: on the topic discussion regarding homosexuality

2004-04-13 Thread Robert Obrien
Will Linden opined:>  Which is why I consider it dishonest when the "news" media repeatedly describe DOMA or the proposed amendments and legislation as moves to "ban gay marriage". They would not forbid anyone to conduct any ceremonies they choose, or even to call them "marriage". The onl