Rick Duncan wrote:
Although my sig quote does indeed quote CS Lewis ("When the Round
Table is broken every man must follow either Galahad or Mordred:
middle things are gone." C.S.Lewis, Grand Miracle), I am not an all or
nothing kind of guy when it comes to politics. I think the way
to peace
Although my sig quote does indeed quote CS Lewis ("When the Round Table is broken every man must follow either Galahad or Mordred: middle things are gone." C.S.Lewis, Grand Miracle), I am not an all or nothing kind of guy when it comes to politics. I think the way to peace in the culture wars is ag
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Intelligent Design: A Twist
Douglas Laycock wrote:
I agree with Ed Brayton's posts on the limits of science. My take on
the line between science and religion in the Intelligent Design debate is
this: the defined task of science is t
Douglas Laycock wrote:
I agree with Ed Brayton's posts on the limits of science. My take
on the line between science and religion in the Intelligent Design
debate is this: the defined task of science is to produce the best
naturalistic explanation possible. That explanation is r
I think Doug has stated this well. But perhaps it understates the challenge presented by evolution -- if science can explain so much, then what is left? It also understates the challenge to the Biblical literalists -- if evolution is correct, then the Biblical story is wrong. If the Biblical sto
I agree with Ed Brayton's posts on the limits of science. My take on
the line between science and religion in the Intelligent Design debate is
this: the defined task of science is to produce the best naturalistic
explanation possible. That explanation is random variation and natural
selec
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Christopher C. Lund wrote:
I think Ed and I are agreeing, although initially I may have put
things sloppily. We agree that science cannot reject supernaturalism
altogether (how could it disprove that prayer has no other-worldly
effects?), but it can investigate "claims about the supernatural"
We do not ban teaching that illness is caused by spiritual malaise or misalignment with the essence of the universe or any of a huge number of non-germ theories. That is the more close analogy to ID -- first causes or causes outside the realm of scientific explanation.I recall being taught the "
Let the marketplace of ideas sort it out. If ID has any validity in science, it will be in demand -- and if so, the private schools that teach it will have graduates in the forefront of that science who will be highly in demand. The story of Semmelweiss might remind us that sometimes religious id
ke banning the phlogistonistic view of chemistry or teachings contrary to
the germ theory of disease, should we even hesitate?)
Chris
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I think I agree with both Ed and Doug. But I have a question about the
content of the category of statements in between Doug's dashes --
"claims about the supernatural, about the existence and nature of
Christopher C. Lund wrote:
I think I agree with both Ed and Doug. But I have a
question about the content of the category of statements in between
Doug's dashes -- "claims about the supernatural, about the existence
and nature of God, about God's desires for humans." Those are the
exclusivel
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Douglas Laycock wrote:
>Well, y
I don't want to interrupt the debate, which I am enjoying. I just want to observe that Christian Scientists are not in the least offended by the teaching of the germ theory of disease, even if they may not take the class. They would prefer to have someone preface a statement that the germ the
Title: Re: Kansas and Intelligent Design: A Twist
Imagine that a religion
commits itself to a phlogistonistic view of chemistry. Surely the chemistry
department can teach that it is false. Would anyone seriously believe that
the Establishment Clause would prevent that?
Perhaps ID
I don't see an establishment clause problem, or any other. Yes, the university may teach that intelligent design is false, in an approved course. As a pragmatic matter, colleges are not primary and secondary schools. Content of college courses may cover a broader range of materials and opinions
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Twist> > > Well, a course being offered by a faculty
member at a > university which teaches just about anything is not going
to > be treated as governmental establishment is it? Surely a
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Subject: Re: Kansas and Intelligent Design: A Twist
Douglas Laycock wrote:
>Well, yes and no. Ed's examples are all cases where religions make
>claims about the natural world: claims within the domain of science to
>investigate and wi
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> Well, a course being offered by a faculty member at a
> university which teaches just about anything is not going to
> be treated as governmental establi
Well, a course being offered by a faculty member at a university which
teaches just about anything is not going to be treated as governmental
establishment is it? Surely a university professor could teach that
all religions are bunk without the professor or university running
afoul of the establis
Douglas Laycock wrote:
Well, yes and no. Ed's examples are all cases where religions make
claims about the natural world: claims within the domain of science to
investigate and within the domain of government to respond to. When
religion makes claims that are more exclusively religious -- cla
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Christopher C. Lund wrote:
> The University of Kansas is planning to teach a course on intelligent
> design next semester. But it's not a science class. It is a
> religious-studies class, and it's titled, "Special To
Christopher C. Lund wrote:
The University of Kansas is planning to teach a course on intelligent
design next semester. But it's not a science class. It is a
religious-studies class, and it's titled, "Special Topics in Religion:
Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies.
study religion as myth. I am not
sure what establishment objection could arise in this case that differs from
those.
David
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The University of Kansas is planning to teach a course on intelligent design
next semester. But it's not a science class. It is a religious-studies
class, and it's titled, "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design,
Creationism and other Religious Mythologies." (The chairman of the
depa
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