RE: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-12 Thread Newsom Michael
The right thing to do?  I am not so sure.  You did say that some children will suffer.  Is that a good thing?  Oops.  This discussion probably belongs off-list.   From: Rick Duncan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:15 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Marty Lederman
decree of the Bishops.   - Original Message - From: Rick Duncan To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal I don't want to argue Catholic (or Protestan)t theology o

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Steven Jamar
On Mar 11, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Rick Duncan wrote:I don't want to argue Catholic (or Protestan)t theology on list.   Let me just say that many students of the Bible believe that it is not so much what the Bible says is evil that defines marriage as a one-flesh, dual-gender relationship. Rather, it

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Rick Duncan
I don't want to argue Catholic (or Protestan)t theology on list.   Let me just say that many students of the Bible believe that it is not so much what the Bible says is evil that defines marriage as a one-flesh, dual-gender relationship. Rather, it is what the Bible says is the good of marriage

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Steven Jamar
I suppose it is about time to start stoning people to death as taught in the old testament . . . .As noted by Bobby Lifkin, perhaps the gulf is just too wide.  Outsiders see gross and inexplicable inconsistencies that insiders see as obviously correct and consistent positions.I think the Solomon Am

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Paul Finkelman
Rick; aren't you cherry picking?  There is one line in Lev. restated in Deut. saying men should not lie down with men, like women. The Bible devotes far more effort to ordering the execution of witches or dietary rules or how to conduct animal burnt offerings.  It is hard to see how you think h

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 3/11/2006 12:27:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The issue is whether we should believe God's moral teachings or the moral teachings of secular elites. That is an easy choice for me, as it appears to be for Benedict XVI. Rick, isn't th

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Steven Jamar
Slavery was prevalent in biblical times and many references were cited to support slavery.  And so, Rick, are you saying that you will only join a church that sides with the South in the Civil War on the slavery issue because the Bible says so?  Or is it that interpretations have changed or that pe

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Rick Duncan
Bobby: I am not a Catholic theologian (but the current Pope is a very serious theological scholar). But a very quick answer, based upon my knowledge of Scripture, is to say that homosexuality, unlike race, strikes at the very essence of the Created Order, from Genesis 1 to the teachings of Jesus in

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 3/11/2006 10:17:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My point--which focused only on the religious liberty issue-- was that when faced with a choice between obeying God or Caesar, the Church must obey God. That is what the Church did in this case.

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Rick Duncan
Whoops! The link in my previous post to the Pope's views about homosexual adoption did not work. Here is the corrected link.   Cheers, Rick[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/10/2006 11:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:This was the right move for the

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Rick Duncan
I believe the Church properly sees race as irrelevant to sexuality and family formation. But homosexuality is much different from race. Here is the current Pope's position on adoption by homosexual couples:   But a conflict between the Catholic bishops of Massachusetts and Beacon Hill has been ev

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Susan Brassfield Cogan
At 07:32 AM 3/11/2006, you wrote: In a message dated 3/10/2006 11:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This was the right move for the Archdiocese to make. Really, it was the only move they could make. It's sad that many children will suffer, but the Archdiocese has to obey

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 3/10/2006 11:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This was the right move for the Archdiocese to make. Really, it was the only move they could make. It's sad that many children will suffer, but the Archdiocese has to obey its conscience.  I