Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-19 Thread Jim B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, these things need not triple or even double the price of a new radio, as some have suggested. An extra pot for CTCSS deviation, decent CTCSS decoders, higher IP3 front-end amps mixer more front-end filtering would probably add $50-$100 to the cost of the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-17 Thread no6b
At 3/15/2007 21:41, you wrote: Bob, I have two DR-605T radios, and both have one pot, VR204, which adjusts the combined voice plus tone levels going to the modulator. It is not possible to adjust the CTCSS tone level independently. However, I padded down the tone levels, upstream of this pot,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-16 Thread Milt
-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio) At 07:23 PM 03/14/07, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY wrote: Nate, Several years ago, I chastised ARRL Labs for failing to report the basic 2-way radio performance

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-16 Thread Jim B.
mch wrote: OK. Let me approach this from another angle. What is the deviation on your system that is not the standard 5.0 kHz or so (running 16K0F3E)? Joe M. Deviation has nothing to do with it. He was talking about the minimum channel step resolution, which is a function of the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-16 Thread Jim B.
James wrote: Yes, thank you Jim .. I did say channel steps not spacing. 2.5 Khz channel step tends to go with 12.5 KHz channel spacing. 7.5 Khz is a form of ultra narrow that I have yet to use for anything. James If you do anything in the commercial spectrum from about 150 to 175 Mhz,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-16 Thread Chuck Kelsey
, 2007 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio) There is a big difference between the Micor or Mastr II station that was factory built for a specific frequency or group of frequencies and an inexpensive mass marketed radio that is built by the thousands

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-16 Thread Eric Lemmon
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:13 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio) At 3/15/2007 20:13, you wrote: snip Guess I'm good at picking out the exceptions. Don't recall for sure, but I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-15 Thread Chuck Kelsey
-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio) At 07:23 PM 03/14/07, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY wrote: Nate, Several years ago, I chastised ARRL Labs for failing to report the basic 2-way radio performance parameters of 12dB SINAD sensitivity, voice deviation limit, CTCSS deviation limit, and center

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-15 Thread mch
2.5 kHz channel spacing? Where is that used? It's not in the commercial USA market. Or did you mean 7.5 kHz? Joe M. James wrote: And most ever ICOM (I - It, C - constantly, O - over, M - modulates) over modulates. Every one I set my hands on will do 6.5Kc (never mind the poor stability).

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-15 Thread Jim B.
Eric Lemmon wrote: Nate, Several years ago, I chastised ARRL Labs for failing to report the basic 2-way radio performance parameters of 12dB SINAD sensitivity, voice deviation limit, CTCSS deviation limit, and center frequency accuracy. I did not get a satisfactory answer, but I suspect

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-15 Thread WD7F - John in Tucson
- Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio) Commercial radios also used fixed values. The Micor is one example of fixed values

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-15 Thread Captainlance
Yikes!. You mean that spark gap is dead! Lance N2HBA - Original Message - From: Jim B. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio) Eric Lemmon wrote: Nate

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-15 Thread Jim B.
mch wrote: 2.5 kHz channel spacing? Where is that used? It's not in the commercial USA market. Or did you mean 7.5 kHz? Joe M. FWIW-He said channel steps, not spacing. James wrote: It even does 2.5 KHz channel steps to comply with modern narrow band channel planning -- Jim Barbour

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-15 Thread Eric Lemmon
-Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:45 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio) Commercial radios also used fixed

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-15 Thread mch
OK. Let me approach this from another angle. What is the deviation on your system that is not the standard 5.0 kHz or so (running 16K0F3E)? Joe M. James wrote: Yes, thank you Jim .. I did say channel steps not spacing. 2.5 Khz channel step tends to go with 12.5 KHz channel spacing. 7.5

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-15 Thread no6b
At 3/15/2007 20:13, you wrote: The point I made was that Alinco, among many other manufacturers, simply used a certain value in almost every radio built, rather than a selected value, with the assumption that it would result in enough CTCSS deviation. As I pointed out, that value more often than

[Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-14 Thread Eric Lemmon
Nate, Several years ago, I chastised ARRL Labs for failing to report the basic 2-way radio performance parameters of 12dB SINAD sensitivity, voice deviation limit, CTCSS deviation limit, and center frequency accuracy. I did not get a satisfactory answer, but I suspect that there is a reluctance

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 07:23 PM 03/14/07, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY wrote: Nate, Several years ago, I chastised ARRL Labs for failing to report the basic 2-way radio performance parameters of 12dB SINAD sensitivity, voice deviation limit, CTCSS deviation limit, and center frequency accuracy. I did not get a satisfactory

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-14 Thread no6b
At 3/14/2007 19:23, you wrote: Nate, Several years ago, I chastised ARRL Labs for failing to report the basic 2-way radio performance parameters of 12dB SINAD sensitivity, voice deviation limit, CTCSS deviation limit, and center frequency accuracy. I did not get a satisfactory answer, but I