Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-18 Thread allan crites
There is no way that impedance matching can be accomplished with changing the length of the transmission line in a 50 ohm system when the transmission line used is also of the same characteristic impedance without a compensating shunt XC or XL stub, at a location determined on a Smith Chart

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc. GE Z-Matcher

2010-08-14 Thread Ross Johnson
HOLY CRAP I've been wondering that for some time. Guess the manual isn't always right. and maybe that's why the GE Z-match is there for the recruiting of true GE tuners.. Never-mind keeping your PA happy at 100% DC. I always wanted to ask but never did (for thought of flames from the GE

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Russ Hines
Sid, I think I found your formula. Look on page 62 of: http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/pdf/ve2azx-duplexerinfo.pdf BTW, my guess was wrong. Length is expressed in inches. 73, Russ WB8ZCC On 8/13/2010 1:44 PM, Russ Hines wrote: Hmm, the formula is a bit off, but... 30 x 32.785 =

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-13 Thread allan crites
Nate, I have both the 12th and 14th edition of the ARRL Antenna books, the 12th I acquired in 1974 and have read and re-read the section on transmission lines and impedance matching probabily more than anyone else has. I sometimes learn new things with each re-reading, as there is much to be

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-13 Thread Russ Hines
Hmm, the formula is a bit off, but... 30 x 32.785 = 983.55. I'll also bet length is expressed in feet. Looks eerily like someone wants you to cut a one-wavelength piece of coax cut at the mean repeater frequency. Just a guess. 73, Russ WB8ZCC On 8/13/2010 11:38 AM, Sid wrote: I have a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-13 Thread Gary Schafer
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of allan crites Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:56 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc. Nate, I have both the 12th and 14th edition of the ARRL Antenna books

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-13 Thread allan crites
to hear your explaination on how you would determine the length of cable needed. AC From: Gary Schafer gascha...@comcast.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 2:36:23 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.   Hi Allan

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc. Gary, Perhaps you can give us some examples to illustrate your thoughts. Perhaps you can also explain why GE chose to include a pi network on the output of the HB M-2 base xmtr to match the xmtr

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-13 Thread Nate Duehr
Allan, Wow... sounds like a great article you guys are working on! Now that I see the scope of what you're up to, it sounds like a great addition to the website. (Well, it would have been a great addition anyway... but wow!) You give me FAR too much credit, if you think I could add to it.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-13 Thread Nate Duehr
On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Jeff DePolo wrote: d) To charge more. I'm half-joking on this; I can't say I've statistically seen more or less failures on M2 PA's with or without the Z-matcher, so I'll give this answer half a smiley: .-, Lucky. I have. Learned that lesson... ;-) Got a pile

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-13 Thread allan crites
: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.   I'm going to take a stab at this, at the risk of possibly stepping on Gary's toes. 1. RF amplifiers in general (not only solid state) don't *have* a 50 ohm source impedance, they're (nominally) designed to work *into* a 50 ohm load. The difference is subtle

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-08 Thread Kevin Custer
motarolla_doctor wrote: Kevin, I am using your coaxial matching section on a couple of antennas with good results. Great article on RB and not too hard to build MD, I wish I could take the credit, but the original concept was from a friend W8ZD - I just improved upon his concept. For