[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-28 Thread David Powell
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 08:18:18PM -0700, Mike Kupfer wrote: dep One of the problems is that we have no good way to measure the dep quality of their mentoring. I think the idea was to treat the level-3 folks as interns, similar to the way new ARC members are brought on board. It's

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-28 Thread Dan Price
On Thu 27 Oct 2005 at 08:18PM, Mike Kupfer wrote: dep == David Powell David.Powell at sun.com writes: dep One of the problems is that we have no good way to measure the dep quality of their mentoring. I think the idea was to treat the level-3 folks as interns, similar to the way new

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-28 Thread Matthew Simmons
DP == David Powell David.Powell at Sun.COM writes: DP If the owner is the one primarily responsible for communicating DP with the contributor, yes. I think this would work fine. To expand on what I think dep just said, this would relegate the intern to the position of observer,

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-28 Thread Mike Kupfer
dp ARC interns are (afaik) already experienced engineers. Yes, and they usually have non-trivial ARC experience, either as a fast-track licensee or from multiple project submissions. I think that translates into some minimum set of requirements to be a sponsorship intern, which may well be

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-28 Thread Bonnie Corwin
Mike Kupfer wrote On 10/28/05 11:52,: dp ARC interns are (afaik) already experienced engineers. Yes, and they usually have non-trivial ARC experience, either as a fast-track licensee or from multiple project submissions. I think that translates into some minimum set of requirements to be

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-28 Thread David Powell
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 01:30:00PM -0600, Bonnie Corwin wrote: So I think we have cycled back to where we started and where we currently are: two tiers of sponsors with requirements for both tiers. If we leave the current program alone and don't open it up, how do we address the problem of

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-28 Thread Jonathan Adams
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 02:54:16PM -0700, David Powell wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 01:30:00PM -0600, Bonnie Corwin wrote: So I think we have cycled back to where we started and where we currently are: two tiers of sponsors with requirements for both tiers. If we leave the current

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-28 Thread Mike Kupfer
Dave == David Powell David.Powell at Sun.COM writes: Dave Mike and I have talked this over, and I think we're in agreement Dave here. Yes, this proposal makes a lot of sense to me. mike

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-27 Thread Bonnie Corwin
David Powell wrote On 10/26/05 17:10,: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 04:10:15PM -0600, Bonnie Corwin wrote: Depending on how things go (which is hard to project at this point), it might not be an issue. If we get a manageable number of third-tier sponsors who do a good job, we shouldn't have a

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-27 Thread David Powell
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 04:33:29PM -0600, Bonnie Corwin wrote: I believe engineers interested in this work will be interested in building relationships with external developers. And therefore will do their best to represent Sun and explain engineering practices. With this proposal, we will

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-27 Thread Mike Kupfer
dep == David Powell David.Powell at sun.com writes: dep One of the problems is that we have no good way to measure the dep quality of their mentoring. I think the idea was to treat the level-3 folks as interns, similar to the way new ARC members are brought on board. It's been several

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-26 Thread Bonnie Corwin
Hi Dave - Thanks for re-sending - I had missed this. You raise a good point - thanks for bringing it up. Depending on how things go (which is hard to project at this point), it might not be an issue. If we get a manageable number of third-tier sponsors who do a good job, we shouldn't have a

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-26 Thread David Powell
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 04:10:15PM -0600, Bonnie Corwin wrote: Depending on how things go (which is hard to project at this point), it might not be an issue. If we get a manageable number of third-tier sponsors who do a good job, we shouldn't have a problem. How exactly do you determine if

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-25 Thread Bonnie Corwin
Apologies for not being clear last week - let's try again. Until we can allow external contributors to integrate directly to the O/N gate, Sun developers (sponsors) are pairing with external developers to follow the O/N code integration processes. The original concept of sponsoring included two

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-25 Thread David Robinson
If I can summarize to make sure I understand this. Being a sponsor is not just about typing putback, but it is actually moderately heavyweight in that the sponsor is expected to build, test (maybe DIY test?), and validate the changes. Frankly, in many cases that may take more time than the actual

[request-sponsor] Round2: Sponsor Proposal

2005-10-25 Thread Dan Mick
David Robinson wrote: Being a sponsor is not just about typing putback, but it is actually moderately heavyweight in that the sponsor is expected to build, test (maybe DIY test?), and validate the changes. Frankly, in many cases that may take more time than the actual code change. This is