RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Von Dreele, Robert B.
Liliana, GSAS will refine the value of the absorption coefficient for neutron TOF data quite easily (I recall one message of yours mentioned that your data was of this "flavor"). Just turn on the flag. Your Uiso's should rise for all atoms making those for the heavy atoms positive. The ABS value

RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Maxim V. Lobanov
>Sorry for the ambiguous information I gave previously. The data at >room temperature were taken with a variable wavelength (TOF) whether >at low temperature the data were recorded with constant wavelength. >There is no magnetic contribution on the pattern. The negative thermal >parameters are for

RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Von Dreele, Robert B.
Liliana, You can calculate the absorption coefficient for your CW neutron experiment. GSAS wants mu*R/lambda. Find a table of "true" neutron absorption cross sections for your elements & calculate mu from them in cm-1. R is the radius of your sample can in cm. Divide by 2 to correct for packing

RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Kurt Leinenweber
Wait! I have to mention - the "heaviness" of atoms (atomic number Z) is important in x-ray diffraction, but is uncorrelated with the neutron scattering factor for the nuclei. When you say heavy, do you mean the highly scattering ones for neutrons, or the high-Z ones? - Ku

RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Marilena L Viciu
Sorry for the ambiguous information I gave previously. The data at room temperature were taken with a variable wavelength (TOF) whether at low temperature the data were recorded with constant wavelength. There is no magnetic contribution on the pattern. The negative thermal parameters are for the h

RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-27 Thread Alan Hewat
As people pointed out, thermal factors are underestimated (even negative) if absorption is not corrected for. If you type "absorption" (or absorbtion :-) into the search field of the Rietveld archive http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ you will find an earlier discussion on this. Al

RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-27 Thread Armel Le Bail
If you type "absorption" (or absorbtion :-) into the search field of the Rietveld archive http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ you will find an earlier discussion on this. And also ~60 emails with the "absor(p/b)tion" keyword in the old Rietveld 1994-1998 archive : http://sdpd.univ-lem

RE: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Kurt Leinenweber
Title: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature ï Liliana,   OK, they should vibrate less... but are they good neutron scatterers or poor?  If they are poorly scattering, the thermal factors won't be as meaningful.       - Kurt   ---Kurt LeinenweberDepar

RE: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Marilena L Viciu
- From: Von Dreele, Robert B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 2/26/2004 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature Liliana, GSAS will refine the value of the

RE: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Markus Valkeapää
> ... the path of > setting the absorption correction. > In expedt (after choosing the file): L, O, A, C In EXPGUI: input window is behind "Globally Edit Absorption" buttom in the Histogram panel. Best Regards, Markus -- Markus Valkeapää, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Inorganic Chemistry, Göteborg Univer

RE: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Marilena L Viciu
Kurt, I mean heavy in the atomic number. Liliana -Original Message- From: Kurt Leinenweber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 2/26/2004 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

RE: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature

2004-02-26 Thread Marilena L Viciu
- From: Maxim V. Lobanov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 2/26/2004 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: Re: thermal parameters at low temperature >Sorry for the ambiguous information I gave previously. The data