>But if you want really good album art, you're much better off finding it
>yourself manually, even though the process can be time-consuming. A
>great resource is the 'AlbumArtExchange' (albumartexchange.com). If you
>don't find something there, try using Google's Image Search.
I found that Album A
>Except that it only works with artists found on compilation albums. The
>album described above is not a compilation. See this old bug:
>
Ah, I see. I thought that option did cause the Artists list to show all
artists, album artists and track artists. Fairly sure it used to, but I have
so many
>Does anybody have any idea, what is going on? Are only albumartists
>displayed in the list somehow?
>
With the original behaviour, there was one list of artists, that you could
configure a bit. In Settings > My Music, there are some options to configure
the single Artists list, one of them bein
>So some albums have multiple Album Artist and (track) Artists.
I didn't quite follow what you mean there?
I'd like the album to be displayed as " by Bass Communion v
Muslimgauze"
As I have two artists rather than the single "Bass Communion v Muslimgauze" ,
it appears as Bass Communion, Muslimg
>Well I just go for using "album artist" anyway .
>
>I dont have that many compilation albums so that fail mode seem more
>aceptable to me.
>In the rare case that this would happen ( it has not in > 43000 tracks
>).
>I kust tag it differently i dont need to find both files of the same
>track in alb
In LMS 7.9, the setting "List albums by Band" was recently removed. Partially
because the setting had been broken for a while, and I don't think anyone left
really appreciated what it was used for (or intended to be used for). Often
mis-interpretted as meaning Album Artist (due to id3 tags oft
>I use albumartist to specify "Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds" and
>artist=Dave Matthews\\Tim Reynolds
>
I specify all individual contributors in Artist tags, and associate a band name
/ artist(s) alias in a Band tag. I only use Album Artist when I have differing
artists across tracks of an album.
>Albums will appear in the new Compilations menu in album name order with
>no artist name,
>
The order is configurable - e.g. in WebUI, in any list of albums, you can
change to Sort By...
Album
Artist, Album
Artist, Year, Album
Year, Album
Year, Artist, Alb
>I don't understand why, if you play track 1, you think it "should"
>display as 'by the band tag'?
>
Band is just another contributor role, that can be considered like an artist
role.
It's also used a lot for classical music collections as the tag is actually
"Band/Orchestra"
What would you pref
>Explain how you can use both albumartist and band at the same time.
>That's just one of the things I haven't been able to follow in your
>bizarre interpretation of how things should work.
>
Not sure I understand your question - it's easy.
Tagging flac: Add an "Album Artist" tag, and add a "Band"
>No wonder the behavior of this server is sometimes so utterly
>incomprehensible.
There's nothing much special, up to the user to decide how they want to use
that presentation field.
LMS is mostly just treating "Band" as if it is another artist on a song, but
one you can decide to hide from lists
>What would the effect be of setting -
>
>List albums by Band
>
>and
>
>Treat TPE2 MP3 tag as Album Artist
>
>Since there is no Band does it then treat AlbumArtist as Band?
No, you would have no way of getting Band/Orchestra data into the LMS music
library if you choose to Treat TPE2 as Album Art
>I'm trying to imagine, though, what the reasoning would be for wanting
>anything other than the band name instead of individual artists. If an
>album is by the Beatles, then who would ever want it displayed as being
>by John, Paul, George and Ringo? I have a feeling the logic at one time
>may also
>What differences do you see when browsing your library?
>
I can tell you what used to happen; what effect it is meant to have.
Take my usualy example - the album "No Quarter" by Jimmy Page and Robert Plant.
I have tagged this with two artists on every track - "Jimmy Page" and "Robert
Plant". I
Some other ideas:
1) Rate songs in MusicMagicMixer or iTunes, and then use CustomScan to import
ratings into LMS.
2) I think there's a way to set a rating for all songs in a playlist. So,
create a playlist, for example called "five stars" with all songs you really
like, and then rate all song
The easiest way, if you have a .cue file, is to load the .cue into FooBar music
player. You can then use a Convert To... action on the album to save each
track out as a separate song. Can choose to convert to Flac, and it will
include all tag info from the cue file.
Alternative products exist
>Odd. once album artist set to kate bush, remove compilation tag (rather
>than set to "0"). May need to do clear and rescan for this to be picked
>up.
>
Could be several things:
1. You are using mp3 id 3.x tags, and have software with different
interpretations of TPE2 (can mean either Band or Alb
>I may try backing up my Comodo Internet Security settings and uninstalling it
>first, just to confirm that it isn't causing a problem.
Tried removing Comodo Internet Security tonight; no difference.
I tried copying a .flac file to a USB stick - couldn't analyse from that device.
>You could try an OS rebuild inside a VM to test, rather than trash your
>system.
>
Home Premium doesn't include XP Mode VM. I guess I can install some other VM
software and install XP in it.
I'm thinking of swapping in a spare HDD and installing Win7 on it, but not sure
what happens with licen
>Yes, Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit, Service Pack 1.
>
Hmmm. So it should work, but doesn't :-(
The other thing that I was worried about was that I had some virus/malware on
this win7 box; some files got quarantined. I've done a full clean-up, and run
a system command to check all OS files are val
>What I cannot understand is how MIP can update a mp3 file but not a flac
>file.
>
I assumed that it was something to do with calling out to a separate DLL to
decode the tags or song data. However, studying the OS with Process Monitor
didn't show up anything obviously wrong/missing.
>The links
This is really annoying me still.
With Windows 7 64 bit, I've tried analysing music stored on a local HDD using
MusicIP GUI, Headless and Genpuid. All of these methods use mipcore.exe, which
fails to analyse .flac files (and .aac files). I can convert the files to .mp3
or .wav and these file
>It does it in XP as well, just sits there with it's thumb in it's mouth
>puffing! I get impatient and tell it to stop, as it sometimes just keeps
>going and eventually stops responding.
>
Yes, I have always had occasions with "Validating 0 tracks left", and
occasionally it says it's validating, f
I've built a Win7 PC. I moved my hard disk containing my music into this box.
I have installed MusicIP, but having a strange issue with analysis of .flac
files. Essentially, I can only properly analyse .flac files that I have ripped
and stored on another box. If I retag a file in mp3tag and a
>I only want to have the Artist (Bach) listed, not the ALBUM ARTIST, how
>is that possible?
>I tried almost any combination in the LMS settings without success.
>
Are there different artists on the album for each song? If not, just remove
ALBUM ARTIST.
If there are different artists on each song
>comp tags override AA tags, so like Jim said, remove em.
That's not quite right - comp tags don't override AA tags. If there's an AA
tag, the album will be reported with that artist, irrespective of whether it is
tagged as a compilation or not.
The two are independent - neither overrides the ot
>Do I need to further convert the .dts files to something else before playing?
>
You need to use a program to convert .dts or .ac3 multi-channel files into
another format. Or to be more exact, wrap the multi-channel sound content in a
container that makes it look like it is in 2 channels.
I use
>- http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17473
I think this is similar to
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17370#c16, which is one reason why
I haven't upgraded past SBS 7.5.6.
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>However, if AA = Various Artists, I'm not sure how that would not be a
>compilation.
I have a few albums that I have tagged that way. An example: Albums where
every track is performed by the same massive list of artists, for which there
isn't a collective band name. Rather than enter all of th
>right, i know. that old post was written prior to FB2K making the
>switch to treat TPE2 as AA by default
Sorry, I didn't appreciate the date of the post. Just stumbled across the post
whilst I was looking for something else.
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>well, one reason i support 15604 is b/c its a fix that everyone agrees
>on.
>
Hmmm, I raised that enhancement request, and hadn't voted for it. I've now
added my vote too.
I am more interested in simplifying the logic used to control the list of
artists and their albums, which would probably h
>besides, i think FB2k is the last app that doesn't use TPE2 as album
>artist, and/or make it easy to do so. i'm just looking for a simple,
>straightforward utility.
FB2K is a great lightweight app.
It does offer a setting to treat TPE2 as Band or Album Artist.
It is easy to convert between forma
>I'd rather just see Montrose on the NPS as well as have the album show
>up under Sammy Hagar even if SH doesn't have any other albums.
>
You could make use of a Band tag (if you don't use it in id3 tags to represent
Album Artist instead):
ALBUM=Paper Money
ARTIST=Sammy Hagar
ARTIST=Montrose
BAND
>How do you tag under the above situations?
>
Agree with all the other posts; there's no right or wrong way, but here's some
additonal ideas:
1) Have unique artist names, but use BAND for artist display name.
Put the real artist name as you would like it displayed within a BAND tag, and
use the
>No, don't actually have this method going in production as I would have
>the same concern as you with regard to having to have multiple
>ARTISTSORT tags and keeping them synchronized.
I use multiple artist and artist sort tags. I've got hundreds of songs tagged
this way, and never had a problem.
>The album _will_ still appear also under Alison Krauss. The only way to
>keep if from appearing among her albums is to not include her name in
>the tags. Alison Krauss _might_ be kept out of the artist list by doing
>this, but only if she doesn't have any other albums of her own.
>
That's what I m
>For the Robert Plant and Alison Krause example, I actually use Robert
>Plant as my Album Artist. The purpose is that I don't have any other
>Alison Krause albums and I tend to look for it under Robert Plant.
>
You don't actually need to put any album artist tag in for this example. All
songs wou
>Just guessing here but maybe it doesn't like ID3v2.4 tags? I've found
>ID2v2.3 is better to use for broader compatibility. I'm pretty sure you
>can use mp3tag to convert 2.4 to 2.3.
>
All of my mp3 files are v2.4, and MusicIP is fine with them.
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>Ok thanks for the info. Installed a trial license for custum browse. The
>options are impressive. How could I do this with custom browse?
>My tags are always/only in Artist and Compilation=1. AlbumArtist, Album
>Artist, Band, Ensemble etc is always empty and 99% are FLAC id's.
>Do I need to add/ch
>My question is exactly the same as the first post. Read the entire
>thread and tried all suggestions. Is it possible to do this (not
>showing tracks from compilations if an artist or album artist is
>selected)?
Not with the standard Squeezebox Server software. But you can achieve this if
you use
>The screen shots were showing you examples of the Columns showing the
>contents (fields) within my single ID3V2.3 tag. I thought you were
>asking how to see the contents of a tag. Anyhow, right click and
>extended tags will show all the contents.
The point is that "Extended Tags" display, or colu
>how do I know at the file level whether it says "ALBUM ARTIST" or "ALBUMARTIST"
>or "TPE2" or something else? Do I need a hex reader to look at the files?
>
>I bet mp3tag will tell me somehow - that program is like an iceberg - I
>only see a tiny percentage of what there is...
Mp3Tag used to repo
>I've done a rescan to clear everything and that seems to have sorted
>me.
I was going to suggest that. For a long time, there have been problems with
the DB not updating correctly if tags are changed and the user performs a scan
for new and updated files. e.g. if an album is marked as a compil
>But that is for streaming the files. I want to be able to save them as
>wrapped in WAV.
It does exactly the same as spdifconvert.py; wraps a .dts or .ac3 rip into a
.wav file.
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>> DTS 24/96 can be streamed wrapped in FLAC.
>Using the spdifconvert.py utility, right?
I found another tool that will do the same job, only a bit quicker.
ac3filter tools contains a utility called SPDifer -
http://ac3filter.net/wiki/AC3Filter_tools#spdifer.
Phil
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>I really don't care as long as you don't spend time reading this thread
>instead of fixing more important bugs. :-)
>
I agree. Let's move on to more important bugs.
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>I think SBS should be a servant to the users, not a pendantic beast
Just to be pedantic, I don't think you meant pendantic ;-)
I wonder out of interest just how big a problem this really is? How many users
have actually had tags with some sloppy whitespace that has now caused a
problem, and ha
>> >its almost insane that anyone would even argue this point.
>> And yet you continue to argue.
>
>i argue for sanity.
>
And therefore by self implication you are almost insane ;-)
>so, you don't NEED spaces! so, it was a PROBLEM for you that you had
>to fix!
>
No I didn't need those spaces, and
>its almost insane that anyone would even argue this point.
And yet you continue to argue.
>(vast common sense majority) side saying "don't stare into the sun" and
>the other, (theoretical minority) insane side saying "no, stare into
>the sun."
>
It's nothing like that, but irrelevant anyway.
It
>What is the informational or typographical value of leading or trailing
>spaces?
>
If there is no benefit of leading or trailing spaces being there, then delete
them from source.
What are we going to do - delete white space from every possible tag, even
though it only matters for artist/album t
>All strings/fields used as keys/foreign keys/search items should be
>left/right space-trimmed. No need for a debate. Leading/trailing spaces
>have no typographical or informational value and are pure noise - and
>are always an error. No need for any complex options.
Untrue.
If it were true, there
>Make it an option on the SBS > Settings > My Music page.
I'd be happy with an option.
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I say no, it's fine and consistent with other apps, and I welcome the slight
speed improvement of not stripping every tag string.
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Although I do understand your concerns, I think SBS is now closely matching
other software, so it is more compatible in behaviour.
Most other software have exact equality on tag values. I've tried iTunes,
Foobar and Mp3Tag, the three apps that I use daily. All of these do not strip
trailing s
>And there could well be artists that differ only in case (I think in the
>original thread, someone came up with some good examples).
Just found one in my library:
Arc and ARC are two completely different artists. I previously had them tagged
as I wanted them to be displayed, but they are being
>That's just another of the unfixed bugs that need to be fixed. Although
>nobody ever commented on whether or not it was intentional.
I say leave it as it is - it's fine.
It's clear when there is a problem, and in most cases it's clear that tags need
to be edited for consistency. It's probably s
>I really can't keep track of who is for certain changes and who is
>against. Pretty sure 7.6 has been like this for at least 2 months, so I
>must have missed the long arguments about this that have been going on
>since then?
>
I'm happy with this change ;-)
SBS is now matching behaviour of Mp3Tag
>So if you have the server set to name the compilations with "Various
>Artist" show it as [Various Artist] if the server decides it is a
>compilation or COMPILATION = 1 Maybe this is what Phil is
>suggesting?
>
Not quite - I was suggesting that the special name still be used for the album
a
>Ok, sounds like kind of the same principles as Custom Browse plugin but
>less technical and more user friendly.
Sounds to me exactly like Custom Browse.
I wouldn't say it's too technical and not user friendly.
IMO, Custom Browse offers several layers of functionality to hit different
level of
>> Hence why I think it should really be labelled "Compilations" or
>> "[Various Artists]" - it's not the same as the album artist called
>> "Various Artists".
>
>what??? WHAT???
>
>you raised HOLY HELL when i suggested that! you "resented" the idea of
>changing the default from "VArious Artists"
>But to convince me, you still have to explain how this would look like
>and be usable on a 1 row Squeezebox Classic display.
>
Choosing a sort criteria dynamically from a player UI (all types) is the
challenge. I think it's better to have some browse lists pre-defined that the
user can navigate
>No one really knows why it's needed but I personally suspect they
>exists to store less data during scanning and save some space on disk.
>The problem is just that it results in more complex browsing logic so
>I'm pretty sure it would be better to just have two roles in the
>database even if it me
>If we want a small quick fix for 7.6, it would be possible to just
>change the default name used in the setting from "Various Artists" to
>"Compilations" and that should minimize the risk for collisions, and we
>can later in 7.6++ do the bigger change.
>
That will however mean that when albums are
Fully agree with your post; it was the same as my conclusion.
Except for consideration of Composers, Conductors and Band/Orchestra.
Perhaps these roles should only be added into contributor_albums link table if
the same tag value is on every song of the album (the same as track artists are
not i
>- Feels like "track artists" are produced based on existence of
>ALBUMARTIST tag but only as long as the album hasn't a COMPILATION tag.
>This feels strange to me. Either all albums with albums.compilation=1
>should follow the same principles or all albums with an ALBUMARTIST tag
>should follow th
>Compilations without any ALBUMARTIST is only shown under the top
>"Various Artists" entry and not under the one sorted under "V", is that
>the correct behavior ?
>
An album always has an album artist - either:
a) the one specified through tags
b) derived from the artist(s) on the songs
c) if the
>I'm not sure exactly what the best solution would be but it's confusing
>as it works now with two "Various Artists" entries which contains
>different things. So the top entry should at least be renamed to
>"Compilations" and preferably moved up to a main menu called
>"Compilations".
What I've bee
>Oh, I didn't look later in the list, I only looked for the first
>"Various Artists" entry.
>
Hence why I think it should really be labelled "Compilations" or "[Various
Artists]" - it's not the same as the album artist called "Various Artists".
>I can actually see my album with ALBUMARTIST="Vario
>Do you know what weird effects COMPILATION=0 causes ?
You'd think it would be the same as having no compilation tag, but I think the
presence of the tag changes song artists from having artist contributor role to
track artist contributor roles. [I can't really remember - but when I was
messing
>i agree its real! of course your niche case is real, AND what that
>means is... get ready for it... YOUR MUSIC FOR THAT NICHE CASE IS
>HIDDEN RIGHT NOW! bug 9523 hides it just like anything else in
>conflict.
>
Actually, the album isn't hidden right now for me, because it thinks it is a
compi
>you and I both agree that this bug is best fixed in the browsing code,
>for lots of reasons.
>
Yes, I think we generally agree on many aspects.
>but i don't understand why you think its a bad idea to have things that
>match the SBS VA naming option string be treated as if they had a comp=1
>tag.
>Can you give me one realistic example were a user don't want to treat
>these albums as compilations ?
>
There were some examples on the bug report that you attached the patch to.
>- If someone has set ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists, it's pretty obvious
>that is has to be a compilation or it is incor
Pretty much the same as me then, except I don't set AA=Various Artists on
compilation albums, because this causes the album to contain track artists, and
thus browsing to an artist record from a song on a compilation only shows other
compilation albums that the artist has been on, not all of the
>> A better and potentially low-risk is to change browse menu sql to not
>> filter out compilation artist from list of artists in the normal place.
>> After all, that's what people are really requesting. The special
>> "Various Artists" artist (that only contains compilations) can continue
>> to e
>> Albums can have no artists, and tracks can have no artists too.
>>
>Yes, but aren't these represented by a generated "No Artist" entry ?
>
Yes.
>> Also because there can be more than one album artist name to report
>> against the album label. When there are several for one album, one is
>> ar
Hi erland ,
>To me it has always felt like there should only be two artist roles:
>- Main artist of the album (I guess this is the album artist role)
>- Extra artists on individual tracks of the album (I guess this is the
>artist or track artist role)
>
I would correct you slightly there:
- Album
>> I don't want a 'Browse Compilations' menu item.
>
>i don't expect i would use it much myself, but i don't begrudge it to
>others.
>
I sometimes look to play a compilation album. eg. a Best of 2010, etc, so it's
another shortcut way of finding an album to play.
But also, I sometimes look in th
>I'm not sure it works like this in 7.6, although I doubt that any
>conscious decision making was involved either way. If it's different,
>it's just because it randomly ended up working like it does.
>
>Where it does work like this I consider it a bug in the browser code
>more than anything else. A
>I'd say that in most cases when I navigate into a track artists I'm
>going to want to find music by that artist and in most cases I
>primarily want to find other normal albums by this artist (where the
>artist is set to album artist).
>
>In my library, this is also how it currently seems to work,
>finally, you need some kind of way for SBS to figure out whats a comp.
>it has some already known to us all. Erlands patch adds another needed
>way. my bug 17031 adds yet another way as well.
Surely, the issue was that people who have AA tags, weren't interested in
compilation indicators, bec
>Why do you need the browse label to be configurable ?
>Can't it just be hard coded to "Compilations" in same way as the other
>menus "Artists", "Albums", "Genres" have hard coded names ?
I would be happy if there was a Browse Compilations; in this context,
"Compilations" is just a label (and thus
>- SBS, when its scans an album that it determines to be a
> compilation, would assign the contributor with the name 'Various
> Artists' to the album artist role for the album.
Only if one hasn't explicitly been set.
>- Add a 'Browse Compilations' browse mode (make it optional?) for
> those w
>Would something like the attached 7.6 patch solve it ?
>Anyone willing to help testing it ?
I'd be interested to test it to see the effects, but 7.6 is a train wreck for
me; I'm not wasting more time on 7.6 until I get an indication that the scanner
is stable, and reports progress/failure correc
>Are we just talking about making the scanner set the compilation flag
>on an album if the "Various Artists" name configured in SBS settings
>matches the ALBUMARTIST tag ?
>
If people don't want compilation tags, don't frig the code so they get them,
just to avoid an issue in some other bit of cod
>> No, that's not what AA tag is for. AA is about identifying songs as
>> belonging to the same grouping (album).
>> Compilation also relates to grouping songs together on an album.
>
>thats your opinion Phil, one backed by absolutely nothing.
>
My opinion and Apple's opinion, amongst others. Eve
>> it should merely allow one to name the category for comps, nothing more.
>> that
>> category name should be off the "Home>" menu, and not "in" the list of
>> artists or albums.
>
>It's not a 'category' name, it's an artist name.
Actually, it's a misused preference - it's used as both a label
>I think most users will be happy if the "Greatest Hits" albums are
>listed under each artist instead of under "Various Artists".
They would appear under both; if an album artist + compilation tag is set, they
appear when you browse to the artist, or when you browse to compilations.
Another examp
>Do you know if there is a reason why it doesn't affect the album artist
>contributor roles ? Feels like it should, doesn't it ?
An album can be a compilation without needing differing artists on songs.
eg. some users may want to tag a "Greatest Hits" album by an artist as a
compilation (as in a
Sounds like you agree with my suggested enhancement.
When browsing artists, only show a list of artist names, which would show
Various Artist without any special logic that worries about compilations or
not. i.e. Various Artists appearing under V, like any normal artist, and
containing any alb
>Most of the time (not always) it will be exactly the same as the
>contributor who's name is displayed. But it's not used for retrieving
>that record. It's easy to see this if you tag an album with two artists
>(or two album artists) on every track in the album. The
>album.contributor column will c
>I believe this is incorrect. The album.contributor column is used only
>for sorting albums by artist and for generating the alphapagebar.
If you change the compilation name setting string to "XXX TEST XXX", and browse
Albums > XXX TEST XXX with order "artist, album", each album will be labelled
>If this is the case, it feels like setting ALBUMARTIST="Various
>Artists" should just work, independent of SBS settings.
>
That's right. If people use Album Artist tags, they will always be used. If
there's no compilation tags, they will not appear as compilation albums.
I think there's three
>I'm not sure if I'm missing something but isn't the purpose of the
>compilation logic in SBS only to automatically set ALBUMARTIST to
>"Various Artists" under some circumstances ?
>
>Basically:
>- When COMPILATION=1 is set
>or
>- When no ALBUMARTIST tag exists and there are more than one ARTIST ta
>indeed. compilation tags are in some ways totally without prupose. no
>one really needs them, b/c thats what the AA tag is for.
No, that's not what AA tag is for. AA is about identifying songs as belonging
to the same grouping (album).
Compilation also relates to grouping songs together on an
>Do any of the applications referred to above ever apply a string other
>than 'Various Artists' to the ALBUMARTIST field of compilations? If
>not, there's no reason to recognize anything other than 'Various
>Artists'. The option in SBS should be used only for display (and
>sorting).
>
There is no c
>I've changed the SbS label from "various artists" to
>compilations. So as indicated here, the first listing in my ARTISTS
>menu is COMPILATIONS. And all my comps are there. But if scroll down to
>Various Artists (in the "V's", I see all the same albums listed again.
>So they're in both places, wh
>DO NOT SET ALBUMARTIST or ALBUM ARTIST = "Various Artists".
Users can, but if they do, also ensure that COMPILATION=1.
i.e. for compilations, can either:
set a COMPILATION tag (and optionally an ALBUM ARTIST tag to whatever you like)
or
don't set a COMPILATION tag and ensure that ALBUM ARTIST is
>Please be more specific. I saw a lot of threads here in the forum, but
>I'm a little bit confused. I also using my MP3-Library with MediaPortal
>and foobar. And they are useing the TPE2/ALBUM ARTISTS.
>
TPE2 is called BAND, but is often regarded as ALBUM ARTIST.
Mp3Tag used to honour TPE2 as hold
What I do is simply remove the album name tag of any ripped singles.
That way, any singles (or odd downloaded tracks not associated with albums)
will appear under a placeholder album called "No Album".
You can see all songs within "No Album" across all artists, eg. via Browse
Albums > No Album,
>So, I've got albums from the Austrian duo "MUM" and others from the
>Icelandic band "múm" in FLAC format.
>Is this a known issue with tags being different only by an accent?
>
Yes, it's a long-standing complaint. Please vote for bug
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10324.
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