Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2020-01-29 Thread Mycenius
Morning All - is this still a valid bug in LMS with compilations/various artists albums? *Hi-Fi 1*: QNAP HS-453DX NAS+QLMS/Allo USBridge Signature+Shanti LPS/Cirrus ESS Sabre 32-bit Reference DAC (Oppo 105D)/Yamaha Aventage CX-A5000/Focal SM9s. *Hi-Fi 2*: Sqbox Touch+Shanti LPS/Focal XS Books.

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2015-09-30 Thread stereoptic
garym wrote: > in mp3tag, one uses '\\'to create multivalue tags (ArtistA\\ArtistB). > If one uses dbpoweramp, one uses ";" as separator.(these are just > the things used in the tagging program. They get converted to whatever > is normal for that codec/tag type in a player or library program

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2015-09-29 Thread garym
stereoptic wrote: > Don't you need to use a semicolon instead of a comma? in mp3tag, one uses '\\'to create multivalue tags (ArtistA\\ArtistB). If one uses dbpoweramp, one uses ";" as separator.(these are just the things used in the tagging program. They get converted to whatever is normal

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2015-09-29 Thread stereoptic
fullerms wrote: > Hi guys, > > Sorry to resurrect an old thread, I have a similar issue with multiple > artists. I have songs by Artist A, some by Artist B and then some by A > and B. I have tagged the duets as Artist = A, B using mp3tag. However, > the duets do not show up when searching for Ar

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2015-09-28 Thread fullerms
garym wrote: > what type of files? mp3, flac, aac? In mp3tag, try changing the artist > to: artista\\artistb > then rescan those files in lms and see if you get the behavior you want. FLAC Files, will try your method and report what happens. Thanks. -

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2015-09-28 Thread garym
fullerms wrote: > Hi guys, > > Sorry to resurrect an old thread, I have a similar issue with multiple > artists. I have songs by Artist A, some by Artist B and then some by A > and B. I have tagged the duets as Artist = A, B using mp3tag. However, > the duets do not show up when searching for Ar

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2015-09-28 Thread fullerms
Hi guys, Sorry to resurrect an old thread, I have a similar issue with multiple artists. I have songs by Artist A, some by Artist B and then some by A and B. I have tagged the duets as Artist = A, B using mp3tag. However, the duets do not show up when searching for Artist A or B. I need to search

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2015-09-03 Thread liffy99
Really struggling to understand this too. For example I've a Leonard Cohen record with each track set to its relevant Artist and Album Artist set to Leonard Cohen. Compilation is set to 1. Yet details show under both Leonard Cohen and under Various Artists when searching by Artist in squeezeserver

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2014-01-19 Thread aubuti
BJW wrote: > yes. I believe in stripping all sort tags out. the behavior you > describe is known and documented here and in bugzilla. > > to me, it makes sense to simply have AA tags on everything, and then if > you want, add comp=1 tags to comps. its simple and works with > everything, fullp

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2014-01-19 Thread garym
BJW wrote: > yes. I believe in stripping all sort tags out. the behavior you > describe is known and documented here and in bugzilla. > > to me, it makes sense to simply have AA tags on everything, and then if > you want, add comp=1 tags to comps. its simple and works with > everything, fullp

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2014-01-18 Thread BJW
yes. I believe in stripping all sort tags out. the behavior you describe is known and documented here and in bugzilla. to me, it makes sense to simply have AA tags on everything, and then if you want, add comp=1 tags to comps. its simple and works with everything, fullproof. Using: Win7 64

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2013-06-19 Thread slimmike28
My issue was that a number of artists and ALL of their albums were listed near the bottom alphabetically in the artist list of my LMS. I couldn't figure out why but finally did and wanted to post the solution. I used Mp3tag software to compare the extended tags of those artists with ones properly

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-10 Thread emalvick
Philip Meyer;689836 Wrote: > > > I have a few albums that I have tagged that way. An example: Albums > where every track is performed by the same massive list of artists, for > which there isn't a collective band name. Rather than enter all of the > individual names (for which I don't have any

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread emalvick
MrSinatra;689812 Wrote: > another reason 15604 is great, is that this wouldn't happen. home>comps > would ONLY be concerned with showing comps. home>anything else would > not consider comp status at all, but only AA or A tags, or whatever. > so your comps WOULD show up under home>everything el

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread Phil Meyer
>- http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17473 I think this is similar to http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17370#c16, which is one reason why I haven't upgraded past SBS 7.5.6. ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com htt

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread Phil Meyer
>However, if AA = Various Artists, I'm not sure how that would not be a >compilation. I have a few albums that I have tagged that way. An example: Albums where every track is performed by the same massive list of artists, for which there isn't a collective band name. Rather than enter all of th

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread MrSinatra
emalvick;689793 Wrote: > My biggest worry would be an Apple type environment where anything in > the Comp menu may not show up in the Artist menu. another reason 15604 is great, is that this wouldn't happen. home>comps would ONLY be concerned with showing comps. home>anything else would not co

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread emalvick
MrSinatra;689760 Wrote: > some people have argued that they have such and such niche example of > something having the string "Various Artists" and yet its not a comp. > like say something with a bunch of artists, but the same ones, on every > track. > > also, the bug exists even when its not A

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread erland
MrSinatra;689773 Wrote: > > while u need not jusify your personal prefernces at all, i think its > safe to assume my two bugs affect a lot more users than any of those. > > That might be the case, but I'm not responsible for LMS development so I'll let Logitech do the prioritization regarding

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread garym
emalvick;689759 Wrote: > I understand that not any AA makes a compilation. I have AA for all my > albums whether they need them or not because I have other software that > in fact lets me browse strictly by AA making AA necessary. And perhaps > you can say that I am one of those that doesn't re

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread MrSinatra
erland;689769 Wrote: > Hard to pick 10 among all the open bugs. > > I don't really have any personal list (but here are 5 which is more > important to me than the two ones you have mentioned): > - http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15904 > - http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread erland
MrSinatra;689670 Wrote: > > what do u see as the top 5 or 10 bugs, in order? > Hard to pick 10 among all the open bugs. I'm guessing Logitech's priority are those which are targeted to a specific release and have Priority P1, this would be something like: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/buglist.cg

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread MrSinatra
some people have argued that they have such and such niche example of something having the string "Various Artists" and yet its not a comp. like say something with a bunch of artists, but the same ones, on every track. also, the bug exists even when its not AA, but say you have "Various Artists"

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread emalvick
garym;689737 Wrote: > aha. There's the rub. The way many folks use AA and even Various Artists > are not albums they intend to be treated as compilations. I understand that not any AA makes a compilation. I have AA for all my albums whether they need them or not because I have other software th

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread garym
emalvick;689736 Wrote: > Typically albums that are given a AA = Various Artists are compilations > whether the COMPILATION = 1 tag is there or not. aha. There's the rub. The way many folks use AA and even Various Artists are not albums they intend to be treated as compilations. -- garym *Loc

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-09 Thread emalvick
I'd be happy to be involved with such a call-in. I can't say I know enough of the bugs to say whether this is the most important, but it is the most important that affects me. I actually like the idea of the initial feature request of the bug; to create a separate compilations menu to browse. Ho

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread MrSinatra
i bet thats true, but you could also probably always say that... at some point this needs to be solved, it doesn't get better with age! what do u see as the top 5 or 10 bugs, in order? -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & droid (my home) / duet & ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b -

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread erland
MrSinatra;689629 Wrote: > > by contacting support, do you mean the phone number? i'd be willing to > "mass-complain" if we could organize how to do it? > Yes, I meant by phone, it's a lot harder for Logitech management to ignore a lot of phone calls than ignore some forum posts or some votes i

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread MrSinatra
i also support it for those reasons, its just a good fix and good idea all around! -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & droid (my home) / duet & ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 & xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::V

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread Phil Meyer
>well, one reason i support 15604 is b/c its a fix that everyone agrees >on. > Hmmm, I raised that enhancement request, and hadn't voted for it. I've now added my vote too. I am more interested in simplifying the logic used to control the list of artists and their albums, which would probably h

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread MrSinatra
well, one reason i support 15604 is b/c its a fix that everyone agrees on. i haven't seen anyone really come against it, although i think Jim may not understand how it would actually work. but if they would just implement 15604, and people then saw how it worked in practice, i'd really be shocke

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread erland
MrSinatra;689357 Wrote: > > i appreciate your support, but as i've made clear about 1000 times now, > bug 15604 FIXES bug 9523 which IS A REAL BUG. > I want both these to be implemented, and as you say 15604 will fix both issues, but my fear is that it's unlikely to happen as both are currently

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread MrSinatra
well, they do sometimes actually fix user id'd bugs, even mine! the trend lately has been less priority/resources to fix bugs tho. thats why when a bug like this, that really is imo serious, goes unaddressed for years, i get cranky about it. i do think voting is helpful, if only to illustrate t

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread emalvick
MrSinatra;689560 Wrote: > just to be clear, i was illustrating an analogous situation to make a > point, i was not equating this bug and asbestos, and frankly, i think > that was obvious. > > in any case, i have contacted logitech and the devs many times about > this issue, and after so many yea

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread garym
emalvick;689541 Wrote: > Except that it seems that logitech unofficially ignores this an other > bugs. It is usually through unofficial routes that things get noticed. > Bug tracking systems tend to add bureaucracy to the system that the > removes the personal aspects of the issue. > > Genera

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread MrSinatra
just to be clear, i was illustrating an analogous situation to make a point, i was not equating this bug and asbestos, and frankly, i think that was obvious. in any case, i have contacted logitech and the devs many times about this issue, and after so many years of no response, bitching like this

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread emalvick
garym;689533 Wrote: > edit: and you are correct, for the most part logitech doesn't read this > forum as it is basically user-to-user. But it is useful to post links to > bugs here so that people can vote and comment on the bugs at the > location where logitech DOES officially read the informati

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread garym
emalvick;689531 Wrote: > Your complaints are fine, but I also hope you are making similar > complaints directly to Logitech to have more impact. As you've noted > bug reporting doesn't seem to help. A forum like this helps with the > bug reporting, but without Logitech's participation, and that

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-08 Thread emalvick
MrSinatra;689472 Wrote: > of course its not the end of the world, and for that matter, digital > music itself is not that important in the grand scheme of things, and > all those kinds of relative arguments can always be made. but since > these forums concern these products, i think its fair gam

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-07 Thread MrSinatra
emalvick;689433 Wrote: > My guess is most of my family is using ITunes. In reality I don't pay > attention to what they do and how they do it. Even most of my music, > which was ripped 10+ years ago (around 2000-2002) did not have AA > without my own intervention using EAC. I think the family me

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-07 Thread emalvick
MrSinatra;689362 Wrote: > > few votes? only ~10 bugs have more votes, and they are all really old, > and some are esoteric or unlikely to ever get done. bug tracker voting > is not something the avg user makes an effort to do, or frankly, is > even aware of. 38 votes is a LANDSLIDE. no newer

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-07 Thread MrSinatra
emalvick;689322 Wrote: > I feel your frustration. I am one of those that uses the "Various > Artists" AA tag and has faced that problem. I've gone through the > hassle of adjusting the configuration to work around that bug and have > voted for it and other AA related bugs. (the option for the ar

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-07 Thread MrSinatra
Guys, i appreciate your support, but as i've made clear about 1000 times now, bug 15604 FIXES bug 9523 which IS A REAL BUG. so yeah, 15604 is an enhancement request, but its one that ALSO fixes a true, honest to goodness, BUG. also, anyone using WMP or Winamp or many other apps, gets AA tags by

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-07 Thread emalvick
erland;689321 Wrote: > I know this is not what you like to hear but my experience is that > Target Milestone=Future means it won't be fixed anytime soon. > > Before starting to focus on enhancements and bugs with Target Milestone > set to "Future" they are likely going to handle the bugs which

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-07 Thread emalvick
I feel your frustration. I am one of those that uses the "Various Artists" AA tag and has faced that problem. I've gone through the hassle of adjusting the configuration to work around that bug and have voted for it and other AA related bugs. (the option for the artist menu to be AA only, etc).

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-07 Thread erland
MrSinatra;689141 Wrote: > > http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604 > > when will logitech FINALLY ADDRESS THIS ISSUE??? > I know this is not what you like to hear but my experience is that Target Milestone=Future means it won't be fixed anytime soon. Before starting to focus on en

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2012-02-06 Thread MrSinatra
here we are with 7.7.2b now being worked on, and this stupid but serious string conflict bug still exists! anyone who uses: WMP Winamp EAC and many other apps that can (and most do) assign an AA value in conflict with LMS' name for the compilations category will, inexplicably to the novice user,

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-12-23 Thread Phil Meyer
>Ok thanks for the info. Installed a trial license for custum browse. The >options are impressive. How could I do this with custom browse? >My tags are always/only in Artist and Compilation=1. AlbumArtist, Album >Artist, Band, Ensemble etc is always empty and 99% are FLAC id's. >Do I need to add/ch

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-12-22 Thread Jackisidore
Ok thanks for the info. Installed a trial license for custum browse. The options are impressive. How could I do this with custom browse? My tags are always/only in Artist and Compilation=1. AlbumArtist, Album Artist, Band, Ensemble etc is always empty and 99% are FLAC id's. Do I need to add/change

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-12-21 Thread Phil Meyer
>My question is exactly the same as the first post. Read the entire >thread and tried all suggestions. Is it possible to do this (not >showing tracks from compilations if an artist or album artist is >selected)? Not with the standard Squeezebox Server software. But you can achieve this if you use

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-12-21 Thread InTheBath
Nope, not possible. I use a ALBUMSORTORDER tag and if you don't currently use it you could give all non-comps a value of one and VA albums a value of 2. Should see your albums mostly segregated when you get to the album view. It's a kludge as what you (and a lot of people) want isn't possible.

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-12-21 Thread Jackisidore
My question is exactly the same as the first post. Read the entire thread and tried all suggestions. Is it possible to do this (not showing tracks from compilations if an artist or album artist is selected)? -- Jackisidore

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-08 Thread Phil Meyer
>So if you have the server set to name the compilations with "Various >Artist" show it as [Various Artist] if the server decides it is a >compilation or COMPILATION = 1 Maybe this is what Phil is >suggesting? > Not quite - I was suggesting that the special name still be used for the album a

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-07 Thread emalvick
I think one solution would be to leave things generally as they are but make the server interpreted compilations stand out, no matter what the user determines that "album artist" should be. So if you have the server set to name the compilations with "Various Artist" show it as [Various Artist] i

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-05 Thread Phil Meyer
>Ok, sounds like kind of the same principles as Custom Browse plugin but >less technical and more user friendly. Sounds to me exactly like Custom Browse. I wouldn't say it's too technical and not user friendly. IMO, Custom Browse offers several layers of functionality to hit different level of

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-05 Thread Phil Meyer
>> Hence why I think it should really be labelled "Compilations" or >> "[Various Artists]" - it's not the same as the album artist called >> "Various Artists". > >what??? WHAT??? > >you raised HOLY HELL when i suggested that! you "resented" the idea of >changing the default from "VArious Artists"

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-05 Thread JJZolx
erland;639356 Wrote: > Correct, doing it in the core code should be fairly trivial, doing it as > a third party plugin should also be possible in 7.6, but maybe not > trivial. > Either way, it's a lot easier than in 7.5 because in 7.6 you only need > to implement it once and still gets support in

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-05 Thread Phil Meyer
>But to convince me, you still have to explain how this would look like >and be usable on a 1 row Squeezebox Classic display. > Choosing a sort criteria dynamically from a player UI (all types) is the challenge. I think it's better to have some browse lists pre-defined that the user can navigate

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-05 Thread Phil Meyer
>No one really knows why it's needed but I personally suspect they >exists to store less data during scanning and save some space on disk. >The problem is just that it results in more complex browsing logic so >I'm pretty sure it would be better to just have two roles in the >database even if it me

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-05 Thread erland
MrSinatra;639362 Wrote: > > first, i expect that logitech will bring ip3k to EOL soon. call it a > hunch. i just feel like they want the freedom to develop without > concern for ip3k, and certainly cheaper to do so. they already have > depricated firmware support, and they are still selling ip3k

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-05 Thread MrSinatra
erland;639361 Wrote: > I hope you are right, let's get back to this after 7.6 has been released > if we feel the situation looks promising. agreed. erland;639361 Wrote: > Yes, I at least partly agree in the web interface. > > But to convince me, you still have to explain how this would look

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread erland
MrSinatra;639358 Wrote: > once 7.6 is out, (pray god), esp if they are given patches to this end > but even if not, i think they would absolutely consider doing this. it > would fix so many problems and require less processing power, > (important for the touch) > I hope you are right, let's get

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread MrSinatra
erland;639357 Wrote: > Only real ALBUMARTIST tags produce an album artist entry in > contributor_album/contributor_track in the database. The generated > "Various Artists" entry doesn't produce this information today, it's > stored in the database but not the same way as real ALBUMARTIST tag. th

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread erland
MrSinatra;639354 Wrote: > > one other thing that seems to keep getting mentioned in this thread... > > a file can only have an AA tag, and an Artist tag. there is NO SUCH > THING as a "track artist" tag. the artist tag IS the track artist > tag. > > so why does SBS define three roles for two

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread MrSinatra
lets not be so pessimistic... i think if You, Jim, Phil, and me all actually AGREE on something, and an approach to the solution, i think they will actually implement it, esp if a patch is offered. as far as i can tell, we all agree that: comp status should not be considered for making home>lis

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread erland
MrSinatra;639354 Wrote: > > my understanding is that right now, EVERYTHING in the mysql SBS DB does > have an AA value, even if one does not exist in the tags. > > were you saying thats not the case? or did you mean something else i'm > not grasping? > Only real ALBUMARTIST tags produce an al

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread erland
JJZolx;639332 Wrote: > > > > > > > The more I think about this I'd really like separate menus for: > > - All Artists > > - Album Artists > > - Composers > > - Conductors > > - Compilations > > - Albums > > > > > So would I. Again, with the recent onebrowser work, this should be > fairly trivi

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;639325 Wrote: > > > >Assuming everyone agrees, what's the next step ? > Make a patch, and try it out. Prey that a patch attached to the bug > report would be applied sometime this century. I can't see that > happening - will be hard to convince a logitech developer. > My conclus

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;639065 Wrote: > >Oh, I didn't look later in the list, I only looked for the first > >"Various Artists" entry. > > > Hence why I think it should really be labelled "Compilations" or > "[Various Artists]" - it's not the same as the album artist called > "Various Artists". what??? WHA

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread JJZolx
erland;639210 Wrote: > I would like to change change this query to something like this, but it > requires that the scanner adds the necessary album artist entries to > contributor_album. > > Code: > > > SELECT contributors.* FROM contributors > JOIN contributor_alb

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread Phil Meyer
>If we want a small quick fix for 7.6, it would be possible to just >change the default name used in the setting from "Various Artists" to >"Compilations" and that should minimize the risk for collisions, and we >can later in 7.6++ do the bigger change. > That will however mean that when albums are

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread Phil Meyer
Fully agree with your post; it was the same as my conclusion. Except for consideration of Composers, Conductors and Band/Orchestra. Perhaps these roles should only be added into contributor_albums link table if the same tag value is on every song of the album (the same as track artists are not i

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread Phil Meyer
>- Feels like "track artists" are produced based on existence of >ALBUMARTIST tag but only as long as the album hasn't a COMPILATION tag. >This feels strange to me. Either all albums with albums.compilation=1 >should follow the same principles or all albums with an ALBUMARTIST tag >should follow th

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread erland
vagskal;639199 Wrote: > On 7.5.4 an album with ALBUMARTIST=Nils Ferlin [The name of a > composer/poet who is not album artist or artist on any album] and > COMPILATION=1 will not generate a Nils Ferlin entry in the artist list > (when composers are not set to appear in that list). > Actually it'

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread erland
erland;639198 Wrote: > > I'll get back when I've found out why the setups differs. My patch > isn't applied on any of the setups so it shouldn't cause the > difference. > Ok, I found the reason and I'm now going to repeat something that has been said partly before. It's caused by a collision b

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread vagskal
On 7.5.4 an album with ALBUMARTIST=Nils Ferlin [The name of a composer/poet who is not album artist or artist on any album] and COMPILATION=1 will not generate a Nils Ferlin entry in the artist list (when composers are not set to appear in that list). -- vagskal 2 x SB3 (wired), Receiver (wire

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-04 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;639151 Wrote: > Perhpas you could look in the DB to see what has been stored for one of > your example albums? What is in albums.contributor, contributor_albums > and contributor_tracks for the album? > Ok, the albums I'm able to test with looks like this, I'm not sure Album5 is p

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-03 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;639151 Wrote: > > > >It means that you can't reach these from the "Artists" menu if we > move > >"Compilations" menu to a top level menu, you would have to reach them > >trough "Compilations" instead. > > > Doesn't sound right to me, and they do appear under Various Artists in > 7

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-03 Thread Phil Meyer
>Compilations without any ALBUMARTIST is only shown under the top >"Various Artists" entry and not under the one sorted under "V", is that >the correct behavior ? > An album always has an album artist - either: a) the one specified through tags b) derived from the artist(s) on the songs c) if the

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-03 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;639075 Wrote: > >I'm not sure exactly what the best solution would be but it's > confusing > >as it works now with two "Various Artists" entries which contains > >different things. So the top entry should at least be renamed to > >"Compilations" and preferably moved up to a main menu

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-03 Thread Phil Meyer
>I'm not sure exactly what the best solution would be but it's confusing >as it works now with two "Various Artists" entries which contains >different things. So the top entry should at least be renamed to >"Compilations" and preferably moved up to a main menu called >"Compilations". What I've bee

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-03 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;639065 Wrote: > >Oh, I didn't look later in the list, I only looked for the first > >"Various Artists" entry. > > > Hence why I think it should really be labelled "Compilations" or > "[Various Artists]" - it's not the same as the album artist called > "Various Artists". > Yea that m

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-03 Thread Phil Meyer
>Oh, I didn't look later in the list, I only looked for the first >"Various Artists" entry. > Hence why I think it should really be labelled "Compilations" or "[Various Artists]" - it's not the same as the album artist called "Various Artists". >I can actually see my album with ALBUMARTIST="Vario

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-03 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;639056 Wrote: > There currently already exists two "Various Artists" entries in the > Artists list (special one at the top of every page, and normal artist > entry sorted within "V"). A small cosmetic change to set this special > label to have square brackets around it (i.e. appear

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-03 Thread Phil Meyer
>Do you know what weird effects COMPILATION=0 causes ? You'd think it would be the same as having no compilation tag, but I think the presence of the tag changes song artists from having artist contributor role to track artist contributor roles. [I can't really remember - but when I was messing

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-03 Thread vagskal
erland;639048 Wrote: > > Do you know what weird effects COMPILATION=0 causes ? > If I remember correctly it made guest artists on that album appear in the artist list no matter what. This was with flac Vorbis comments. I do not think I have ever set TCMP to 0. -- vagskal 2 x SB3 (wired),

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-03 Thread Phil Meyer
>i agree its real! of course your niche case is real, AND what that >means is... get ready for it... YOUR MUSIC FOR THAT NICHE CASE IS >HIDDEN RIGHT NOW! bug 9523 hides it just like anything else in >conflict. > Actually, the album isn't hidden right now for me, because it thinks it is a compi

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;639026 Wrote: > > I'm not sure that COMPILATION=0 is a valid expression. It's known to > cause some weird effects in SBS. > Ok, if that's the case I'm starting to think that we maybe shouldn't bother to apply this patch. Do you know what weird effects COMPILATION=0 causes ? I a

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;639026 Wrote: > >but i don't understand why you think its a bad idea to have things > that > >match the SBS VA naming option string be treated as if they had a > comp=1 > >tag. (erlands patch) > >[/color] > I've already responded elsewhere with a few things that I would be > cautiou

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread Phil Meyer
>you and I both agree that this bug is best fixed in the browsing code, >for lots of reasons. > Yes, I think we generally agree on many aspects. >but i don't understand why you think its a bad idea to have things that >match the SBS VA naming option string be treated as if they had a comp=1 >tag.

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread MrSinatra
erland;639012 Wrote: > I think the problem is that something big should be done regarding the > complete handling of compilation albums, but no one is going to be > willing to do something big at the moment due to limited testing and > development resources. So it's either small patches that solv

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread erland
MrSinatra;639009 Wrote: > > SOMETHING needs to be done. > I think the problem is that something big should be done regarding the complete handling of compilation albums, but no one is going to be willing to do something big at the moment due to limited testing and development resources. So it's

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread MrSinatra
Phil, you and I both agree that this bug is best fixed in the browsing code, for lots of reasons. but i don't understand why you think its a bad idea to have things that match the SBS VA naming option string be treated as if they had a comp=1 tag. (erlands patch) other than the niche case wher

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread Phil Meyer
>Can you give me one realistic example were a user don't want to treat >these albums as compilations ? > There were some examples on the bug report that you attached the patch to. >- If someone has set ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists, it's pretty obvious >that is has to be a compilation or it is incor

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread garym
erland;638944 Wrote: > You need to run the svn version of SBS with ActiveState perl, is this > what you are using or are you using a nightly build ? > > Nightly builds can't easily be patched as they are compiled into > binaries. oh my. I'm using a nightly build. Sounds like running patches is

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread erland
garym;638929 Wrote: > I'm running SbS 7.6 at work feeding SqueezePlay and have 100s of > compilation albums. I'll try the patch, but never having done a patch, > please give me the steps of installing the patch. I assume it is just > copying a file to the right location on my win7 machine >

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread garym
erland;638889 Wrote: > Anyone willing to test the scanner patch I posted here ? > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=638650#post638650 > > I'd imagine that the window for non critical bug fixes like this in 7.6 > is about to close, so if those that feel this is an important correctio

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread garym
erland;638887 Wrote: > Just out of interest, which tagging software do you use ? > Do you import data from freedb, musicbrainz or other similar services > or do you enter it manually ? > If you import data, doesn't that produce an ALBUMARTIST tag ? Have you > just removed this manually before sav

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread erland
Anyone willing to test the scanner patch I posted here ? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=638650#post638650 I'd imagine that the window for non critical bug fixes like this in 7.6 is about to close, so if those that feel this is an important correction aren't able to spend some time

Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] "Various Artists" in Artists

2011-07-02 Thread erland
garym;638864 Wrote: > > 3. I don't otherwise use Album Artist at all unless I have a > non-compilation that has at least one track with differing artists from > others on the album (i.e., at least one song maybe has two ARTIST tags > (Flac). > Just out of interest, which tagging software do you

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