Re: AMSv2 USB

2012-02-27 Thread Torne Wuff
On 26 February 2012 22:53, Mike Giacomelli giac2...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the underlying problem is that people expect USB to work and we don't make it clear to them that it does not work yet on all targets.  I think the best solution to this problem would be to display a warning whenever

Re: AMSv2 USB

2012-02-27 Thread Thomas Martitz
Am 27.02.2012 11:30, schrieb Torne Wuff: I absolutely agree; while *our* definition of unstable includes is missing USB support, the consistent surprise users demonstrate when they find out is evidence enough that that definition is not obvious :) That's not quite right. We allow targets

Re: AMSv2 USB

2012-02-26 Thread Frank Gevaerts
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 07:30:07PM -0700, Mike Giacomelli wrote: I think the problem is that we did a release of rbutil that finally started installing the new bootloader but that defaults to installing the old release. Rockbox Utility installs the *current* release. Frank -- Debugging is

Re: AMSv2 USB

2012-02-26 Thread Frank Gevaerts
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 07:30:07PM -0700, Mike Giacomelli wrote: I guess it'll get fixed when 3.11 comes out. Will it? Is USB stable enough to be enabled in a stable release? I haven't seen any discussion about that yet. I sincerely hope that the answer won't be It will be enabled because

Re: AMSv2 USB

2012-02-26 Thread Alex Parker
On 26/02/12 11:12, Frank Gevaerts wrote: On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 07:30:07PM -0700, Mike Giacomelli wrote: I guess it'll get fixed when 3.11 comes out. Will it? Is USB stable enough to be enabled in a stable release? I haven't seen any discussion about that yet. I sincerely hope that the

Re: AMSv2 USB

2012-02-26 Thread Frank Gevaerts
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:21:07AM +, Alex Parker wrote: If USB is not to be enabled on 3.11, then we revert the bootloader change. Rockbox Utility should be installing bootloaders that work with the current release. If people are using current builds then they can also install an

Re: AMSv2 USB

2012-02-26 Thread Alex Parker
On 26/02/12 11:29, Frank Gevaerts wrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:21:07AM +, Alex Parker wrote: If USB is not to be enabled on 3.11, then we revert the bootloader change. Rockbox Utility should be installing bootloaders that work with the current release. If people are using current

Re: AMSv2 USB

2012-02-26 Thread Thomas Martitz
Am 26.02.2012 01:03, schrieb Frank Gevaerts: Since USB was enabled on trunk to evaluate how well USB works, without knowing if it will even be enabled in the next release, I must say I fail to understand why mkamsboot got changed. I agree (in hindsight, I too haven't thought of this issue when

Re: AMSv2 USB

2012-02-26 Thread Dominik Riebeling
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Frank Gevaerts fr...@gevaerts.be wrote: The way I understand it (which could be wrong) is that the dualboot code (i.e. the bit that decides which bit gets to boot) is *not* in the bootloader as in the files that are downloaded, but in bits of code that's

RE: AMSv2 USB

2012-02-26 Thread Mike Giacomelli
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Frank Gevaerts fr...@gevaerts.be wrote: The way I understand it (which could be wrong) is that the dualboot code (i.e. the bit that decides which bit gets to boot) is *not* in the bootloader as in the files that are downloaded, but in bits of code

AMSv2 USB

2012-02-25 Thread Frank Gevaerts
Hi, It appears the new rockbox utility installs bootloaders on AMSv2 that boot rockbox by default when USB is detected. This basically means that for people installing 3.10, USB is broken when they plug in the device while it's switched off. This is the way *many* users use USB, which explains

RE: AMSv2 USB

2012-02-25 Thread Mike Giacomelli
Since USB was enabled on trunk to evaluate how well USB works, without knowing if it will even be enabled in the next release, I must say I fail to understand why mkamsboot got changed. I think the problem is that we did a release of rbutil that finally started installing the new