Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread James Tabor
All contributions are welcome regardless when it comes from those that break stuff. I do not see anyone else sticking their neck out on the block! If you are not breaking anything you are not working! So to those that bitch the most, when did you break anything? Locking shit down all the tim

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Ged Murphy
On 15 April 2010 19:22, Daniel Reimer < daniel.rei...@stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote: > Good luck in finding hobby programmers who do what you tell em to do. As > long as you cant pay them, its hard to force them in direction. If they > loose interest or fun in coding for ROS then we are not j

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo
hm? On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Samuel serapion wrote: > Javier this isn't funny. ReactOS is serious business. > > > 2010/4/15 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo > >> well, it will be useful whenever it has to :) >> so, i dont see it as a bad commit after all, just funny :P >> >> >> On Thu, Ap

Re: [ros-dev] Regressions and bugs

2010-04-15 Thread Samuel serapion
Test bot is broken, I usually "tracked" regressions that way... please fix. ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Samuel serapion
Javier this isn't funny. ReactOS is serious business. 2010/4/15 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo > well, it will be useful whenever it has to :) > so, i dont see it as a bad commit after all, just funny :P > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Faulds wrote: > >> Yes, but we get "donation

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Daniel Reimer
Good luck in finding hobby programmers who do what you tell em to do. As long as you cant pay them, its hard to force them in direction. If they loose interest or fun in coding for ROS then we are not just stagnating, we are deserted. If you wanna risk this, feel free to. I cant and wont stop

Re: [ros-dev] Regressions and bugs

2010-04-15 Thread Eric Kohl
Gabriel ilardi schrieb: Explorer has all kind of visual glitches you can imagine and even more. keyboard layout issues: it's language dependent when it shouldn't be, changing keyboard layout doesn't work, kb layout tools dont' work, wrong keyboard layout in cmd see 3317, 2132, 2133, 2178, 2952,

Re: [ros-dev] Regressions and bugs

2010-04-15 Thread Aleksey Bragin
Great work, thank you very much! That's exactly what I was speaking about yesterday. I'm considering freezing trunk to only allow fixes for these regression. If noone objects, this is going to become reality tonight. WBR, Aleksey. On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Gabriel ilardi wrote: Hi te

Re: [ros-dev] Regressions and bugs

2010-04-15 Thread Gregor Schneider
Looks like Gabriel did a bugzilla attack too. I'd like to add some comments: i've also been working the bug list of a humble 600 items up and down, mainly addressing the easy visual and configuration issues. See http://cia.vc/stats/author/gschneider. I've skipped generelly skipped big feature enh

Re: [ros-dev] Regressions and bugs

2010-04-15 Thread James Tabor
I know about this one! It was worse before and I removed the routine due to the kernel changes and added it back when I thought it was fixed. ATM just type "cont" at the debug prompt. I'm not sure how it is reentering even after removing the DCE from the window. Thread lock should have catch it and

[ros-dev] Regressions and bugs

2010-04-15 Thread Gabriel ilardi
Hi team, I don't know why, but it seems that bugzilla and ros-bugs is being ignored, except for some exceptions where I've seen regressions fixed lately. IMHO it's extremely important the perception people have about us when they test ros, if ros improved overall but that's not noticeable to t

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Timo Kreuzer
Andrew Faulds wrote: > Yes. We need a "Linus Torvalds" for ReactOS. If it worked for Linux, it'll > work for ReactOS. > No. A "trunk manager" selecting what he likes won't work for reactos, because we just don't have enough devs for any kind of cherry picking. We need to take what we get. It wou

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Ged Murphy
So the whole project should continue to stagnate, but that's ok because you can get debug info off your notebook... I think it's much more important to get things moving forward in virtual machines than your laptops debug output. Ged. -Original Message- From: ros-dev-boun...@reactos.org

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Daniel Reimer
I am for writing a PCMCIA Driver in the current state. Most here don't see the argument I see every day. Debugging more recent Notebooks. You all still should know what a pain it was to get ROS running on my CLT 2010 machine without any serial Port. UniATA Bug here, Sound problems there... Won

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Andrew Faulds
Yes. We need a "Linus Torvalds" for ReactOS. If it worked for Linux, it'll work for ReactOS. On 15 April 2010 10:53, Peter Millerchip wrote: > Exactly - so surely if we nominate a "trunk manager" they would > perform that role? That would work, wouldn't it? Their job would be to > accept fully t

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Peter Millerchip
Exactly - so surely if we nominate a "trunk manager" they would perform that role? That would work, wouldn't it? Their job would be to accept fully tested patches into trunk, or reject immature or broken patches. They would be like the "Linus" of ReactOS, the guy who says whether stuff is good enou

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Andrew Faulds
But wait with Linux doesn't it work because there's one person ultimately controlling it? On 15 April 2010 10:37, Peter Millerchip wrote: > No it wouldn't slow down development, people would just develop on > branches at the same speed as they do now. It would just mean that > trunk would only g

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo
well, it will be useful whenever it has to :) so, i dont see it as a bad commit after all, just funny :P On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Faulds wrote: > Yes, but we get "donations" on all sorts of unnecessary things. > We really need "donations" in *useful areas* like, say, USB. > > > On

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Peter Millerchip
No it wouldn't slow down development, people would just develop on branches at the same speed as they do now. It would just mean that trunk would only get the features when they work, rather than having incomplete and untested code littering it. Don't knock it, it works for the Linux kernel devs ;

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo
bad one, i guess that would slow down development a lot On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Peter Millerchip < peter.millerc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, I agree too - trunk should ideally not contain non-working code. > Maybe non-working drivers belong in a branch until they've been fully > tested?

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Andrew Faulds
Yes, but we get "donations" on all sorts of unnecessary things. We really need "donations" in *useful areas* like, say, USB. On 15 April 2010 10:25, Peter Millerchip wrote: > To be fair: > > 1. The guy donated his code to ReactOS. Think of it like a gift to us > - it might not be what we really

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Peter Millerchip
To be fair: 1. The guy donated his code to ReactOS. Think of it like a gift to us - it might not be what we really wanted, but it's still rude to insult a gift. 2. This isn't "support" for PCMCIA, it's a stub - he said so himself. ReactOS does not support PCMCIA yet. 3. Windows supported PCMCIA

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Peter Millerchip
Yes, I agree too - trunk should ideally not contain non-working code. Maybe non-working drivers belong in a branch until they've been fully tested? Maybe trunk should be locked to everyone except a "trunk manager" who accepts patches from people, or merges different branches in to trunk. That way

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Andrew Faulds
You mean we're supporting an interface no-one needs before the biggest gap in ReactOS I/O support? 2010/4/15 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo > ReactOS has PCMCIA support before USB > lol :) > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Aleksey Bragin wrote: > >> I fully agree with Ged. I know it's fun

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo
ReactOS has PCMCIA support before USB lol :) On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Aleksey Bragin wrote: > I fully agree with Ged. I know it's fun to create something from scratch (I > used and will still do, of course) and work in an explored area, however I > think there should be some control. If

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Aleksey Bragin
I fully agree with Ged. I know it's fun to create something from scratch (I used and will still do, of course) and work in an explored area, however I think there should be some control. If you really want to work on that and nothing else - we have rosapps/drivers. In my opinion, trunk has

Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 46876: [PCMCIA] - Add a mostly stubbed PCMCIA driver - pcmcia.c is complete but fdo.c and pdo.c are completely unimplemented

2010-04-15 Thread Ged Murphy
I don't mean to sound like a broken record, and I also understand that the project allows people to work on whatever they want to. But with the project in such a state at the moment, is a pcmcia bus driver really the best thing to be working on? I'm all for project freedom, but you would hope pe