Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-12-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Hans de Goede wrote: That this enables repos under the hood is something which we should make clear to the end user. I do however not believe that this is the answer for libdvdcss, what I would like to see for libdvdcss is: rpm -ivh http://...rpmfusion-nonfree-release.rpm yum install

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Hans de Goede
Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: On 18.11.2008 00:33, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: snip IIRC someone said earlier that some people wouldn't contribute to RPMFusion if it was in any way associated with distribution of libdvdcss, but never mentioned any names or what these contributors would

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Richard Körber
Hi! I thought we have sorted that out. Do we really have to go through this discussion again? Just ignore that issue. We should satisfy the majority's needs, and the majority of Fedora users (obviously) needs DVD playback (as well as other patents/crypto stuff). If that guy(s) stops

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Andreas Thienemann
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: Sure, the latter is a bit more complicated, but imho it's the right thing to do, especially as the user might do something that is illegal in his country. I do not consider it our job to prevent people doing illegal acts. Furthermore, the

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Andreas Thienemann
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Hans de Goede wrote: Also this seems to be an ever sliding issue, first we would ship it despite the concerns of a few, then you changed your mind and I and others reluctantly agreed, but we also agreed we would come up with some seamless integration solution. And

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello! 2008/11/18 Andreas Thienemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: Sure, the latter is a bit more complicated, but imho it's the right thing to do, especially as the user might do something that is illegal in his country. I do not consider it our job to

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello! 2008/11/18 Richard Körber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just ignore that issue. We should satisfy the majority's needs, and the majority of Fedora users (obviously) needs DVD playback (as well as other patents/crypto stuff). If that guy(s) stops contributing - that's not a problem at all. We

Reducing the number of necessary repos with non-free software (was Re: the libdvdcss issue)

2008-11-18 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Tuesday, 18 November 2008 at 13:27, Andreas Thienemann wrote: On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Hans de Goede wrote: [...] And Fedora Legal actually has cleared doing that (linking to rpmfusion from the wiki), this is something which still has to be implemented, but the permission is there.

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Andreas Thienemann
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Richard Körber wrote: For me it means that if RPMfusion is offering software that is illegal in Germany, I will stop blogging about it in fedorablog.de and remove the package lists from repowatch.fedorablog.de. You can blame me for being a sissy, but I see no other option

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 18.11.2008 14:38, Karel Volný wrote: To the people who are responsible for RPMfusion: Please make up your mind, and then make an official and irrevocable (!) commitment pro or contra libdvdcss. I second that ... but ... who is that? http://rpmfusion.org/ - SteeringCommittee

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Karel Volný
hi, To the people who are responsible for RPMfusion: Please make up your mind, and then make an official and irrevocable (!) commitment pro or contra libdvdcss. I second that ... but ... who is that? http://rpmfusion.org/ - SteeringCommittee http://rpmfusion.org/SteeringCommittee

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Rex Dieter
Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: On 18.11.2008 11:12, Hans de Goede wrote: it is one of the repos which make up the new rpmfusion, also we want this to work seamlessly. Enabling a repository that ships libdvdcss automatically is nearly just as bad as shipping it directly in our repos (¹). It hence

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Rex Dieter
Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello! 2008/11/18 Andreas Thienemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: Sure, the latter is a bit more complicated, but imho it's the right thing to do, especially as the user might do something that is illegal in his country. I do not

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Andreas Thienemann
Hello Rex, On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Rex Dieter wrote: [Not shipping something in order to prevent people from comitting legally questionable acts in their locale] I am swayed by that argument, but this is a special case. I'm still very concerned over issues around 1. fedora being able to

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 18.11.2008 15:43, Karel Volný wrote: To the people who are responsible for RPMfusion: Please make up your mind, and then make an official and irrevocable (!) commitment pro or contra libdvdcss. I second that ... but ... who is that? http://rpmfusion.org/ - SteeringCommittee

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Rex Dieter
Andreas Thienemann wrote: (wishlist/todo: create a FAQ on the wiki for this very issue, so we don't need to rehash/rediscuss it every few weeks). :) Problem is, it's not question which can be answered in a definite way. The FAQ should state *facts*, and the already-mentioned-many-times

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Andreas Thienemann wrote: Hello Rex, On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Rex Dieter wrote: [Not shipping something in order to prevent people from comitting legally questionable acts in their locale] I am swayed by that argument, but this is a special case. I'm still

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Orcan Ogetbil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that we should put a disclaimer notice on the rpmfusion-nonfree-release RPM, telling the users that it is their responsibility to check the license and the legal issues by installing any package from this

Re: the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-18 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 12:18 +0100, Richard Körber wrote: For me it means that if RPMfusion is offering software that is illegal in Germany, reference? To my knowledge, libdvdcss legal position is questionable and unclear in Germany, but so for has not been proven illegal. Ralf

the libdvdcss issue

2008-11-17 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
Hi. I'd like to bring up the topic once again. I've been discussing it with Nicolas and noticed that both rpmfusion.pl and rpmfusion.fr domains are free. Nicolas said he could arrange for hosting libdvdcss in France under such domain and so could I, in Poland. Is it OK if we use the RPMFusion name