Re: [Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-13 Thread Mark Weston
Why should those J2EE guys have all the nice toys? I want my life made easier too! There are reasons why IDEs for RoR haven't all been stellar, one being that all that metaprogramming magic must make Rails a really slippery framework to build tools for, another the insane pace of change over the

[Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-13 Thread pepe
> IDEs are often bloated and difficult to use compared to editors.  For > developing with technologies like J2EE, you need the extra power and > features to make your life easier.  For developing with technologies > like Rails, the extra features just get in the way and slow things down. Yes, some

[Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-13 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
pepe wrote in post #949821: >> Likely what happened. In the context of the discussion as a whole, I >> thought you were comparing IDEs and other editors. Apparently you >> weren't. Sorry for misunderstanding. > > Same here. > >> >> And you don't need an IDE for that. > [...] >> Because there are ot

[Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-13 Thread pepe
> Likely what happened.  In the context of the discussion as a whole, I > thought you were comparing IDEs and other editors.  Apparently you > weren't.  Sorry for misunderstanding. Same here. > >> And you don't need an IDE for that. [...] > Because there are other tools out there providing equiva

[Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-12 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
pepe wrote in post #949706: >> You said you like IDEs because of global search and replace >> capabilities; you seemed to be implying that other editors couldn't do >> that. > > To seem to an to actually do are different things. > >> But you yourself have just admitted that you don't know much abou

[Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-12 Thread pepe
> You said you like IDEs because of global search and replace > capabilities; you seemed to be implying that other editors couldn't do > that. To seem to an to actually do are different things. > But you yourself have just admitted that you don't know much about text > editors, so how can you eff

[Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-12 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
pepe wrote in post #949641: >> Please don't mislead people about the features of editors. > > Not trying to. If you read more carefully you'll notice that I didn't > even try to mention a single feature of text editors, among other > things because I don't really know much about them. I was solely

Re: [Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-12 Thread Mark Weston
RubyMine has some nice refactoring tools. I can't say I've pushed them very hard, but when I have tried them they've worked well. (Disclaimer: I have no connection to the company, I'm just a RubyMine user.) On 12 October 2010 18:05, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote: > > > They also help with refactori

[Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-12 Thread pepe
> Please don't mislead people about the features of editors. Not trying to. If you read more carefully you'll notice that I didn't even try to mention a single feature of text editors, among other things because I don't really know much about them. I was solely commenting on IDEs capabilities and

Re: [Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-12 Thread Greg Donald
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote: >> They also help with refactoring, etc. > > Have you ever seen an IDE that actually does this effectively for Ruby? > I have not. Neither have I. Every Ruby IDE I've tried falls flat on it's face as far as code completion. That would

[Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-12 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
pepe wrote in post #949502: [...] > Many people here don't like IDE's and like to just use a 'simpler' > editor. Many of them like TextMate. I find IDEs useful if only because > they allow you to search/replace easily any text within the project. So do good (non-IDE) editors like TextMate or Komod

[Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-12 Thread pepe
> i will change a label named "School Name" to "College Name" will I be > able to change it using radrails or i have to go to my app directory and > change it there in the particular file. RadRails or any IDE will allow you to edit the files of your application, so when you say 'using radrails or

Re: [Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-11 Thread Walter Lee Davis
On Oct 11, 2010, at 11:05 AM, radhames brito wrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marnen Laibow-Koser > wrote: Radhames Brito wrote: > @hassan > > I believe he wants a wysiwyg for rails views. You can use any WYSIWYG HTML editor for that -- with all the attendant problems. The OP should

Re: [Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-11 Thread radhames brito
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote: > Radhames Brito wrote: > > @hassan > > > > I believe he wants a wysiwyg for rails views. > > You can use any WYSIWYG HTML editor for that -- with all the attendant > problems. The OP should learn HTML and do it right. :) > > Yes but he

[Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-11 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
Radhames Brito wrote: > @hassan > > I believe he wants a wysiwyg for rails views. You can use any WYSIWYG HTML editor for that -- with all the attendant problems. The OP should learn HTML and do it right. :) Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org mar...@marnen.org -- Posted via ht

[Rails] Re: Use of Editors(like Radrails,Netbeans) in ROR?

2010-10-10 Thread Luis Saffie
Premanshu Mishra wrote: > Hi All, > > Willing to know if by using Editors, will we able to modify things(like > labels,etc) on the view layer. Or is it safer to change them using > individual files in the app/views folder ?? As far as I know, no. But the magic of rails is that is so simple that y