[sage-devel] Sage 3.4.2 Lightweight LiveCD release and feedback.

2009-05-22 Thread Lucio Lastra
Hi everyone, Sage 3.4.2 Lightweight LiveCD has been released today. You can download it at: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/luciolastra/sagelwlcd/latest/ It's greatly improved since last version thanks to Alfredo Portes and Rob Beezer who tried it out and recommended some changes. Greetin

[sage-devel] Re: sage blog aggregation : planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-22 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi William, On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 2:49 AM, William Stein wrote: > > Hi, > > Fredrik Johansson (mpmath author) posted this very nice blog post > about sage days 15: > http://fredrik-j.blogspot.com/2009/05/report-from-sage-days-15.html Nice post. Even though I wasn't able to attend Sage Days 15

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread Bill Page
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > > Bill Page wrote: >> Where can I find and/or test "jsmath equation editor"? > > I guess it's a little confusing to call it that, since mathdox > apparently uses jsmath too. Yes. > What we are referring to is an equation editor that Davide (

[sage-devel] sage blog aggregation : planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-22 Thread William Stein
Hi, Fredrik Johansson (mpmath author) posted this very nice blog post about sage days 15: http://fredrik-j.blogspot.com/2009/05/report-from-sage-days-15.html He asked that it be added to planet.sagemath.org. I realized that nobody administers or maintains that site anymore. It was setup by Yi Q

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.alpha0 build failure on OS X PPC

2009-05-22 Thread Kevin Horton
On 21 May 2009, at 04:19, gsw wrote: > Sage-4.0.alpha0 did build fine on my G4 PowerBook 550Mhz with OS X > 10.4.11 and Xcode 2.5. From the istall.log: > > gcc -std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -D__GMP_WITHIN_GMP -I.. - > DOPERATION_scan1 -O2 -mpowerpc -no-cpp-precomp -force_cpusubtype_ALL

[sage-devel] 'view' is partially broken in notebook; need advice

2009-05-22 Thread John H Palmieri
In the notebook, view is partially broken: for viewing a single object, view(ZZ[x]) works just fine, producing a nicely typeset "Z[x]". For viewing multiple objects, though, view([ZZ[x], RR, CC]) produces [Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Integer Ring, Real Field with 53 bits of pr

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.0.rc0 released!

2009-05-22 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
mabshoff wrote: > > > On May 22, 1:46 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" > wrote: >> mabshoff wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I gotta run to the airport, but sources and upgrade bits of 4.0.rc0 >>> are in >>>http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-4.0/rc0/ >> I must say, it's looking better on

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.rc0 - division bug on second and subsequent evaluation of cell?

2009-05-22 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On May 22, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Nick Alexander wrote: >> We do this to avoid the (large) overhead of re-creating constants in >> the bodies of loops, functions, etc. Perhaps we need to detect the >> Integer=xxx line explicitly? > > Doing this accurately is equivalent to the halting problem. Yep. De

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread Nick Alexander
> I don't think interacts are nearly that simple for a user to just > enter > a matrix. For one, the user would first have to define the function. > Then how would the user use the matrix they put in? I am imagining a syntax such as M = interact_matrix(nrows, ncols), where the sage library

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.rc0 - division bug on second and subsequent evaluation of cell?

2009-05-22 Thread Kevin Horton
On 22 May 2009, at 16:56, Franco Saliola wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Kevin Horton > wrote: >> >> On 22 May 2009, at 16:07, Robert Bradshaw wrote: >> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Kevin Horton wrote: >>> I am using sage-4.0.rc0 on 32 bit ubuntu 8.10. I have disc

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread Jason Grout
Nick Alexander wrote: >> One easy thing to do would be to have a bunch of "helpers" for easy >> things, like matrices. > > Isn't this what interact is good for? The use case: one of my linear algebra students wants to input a matrix as a table. They click on a button, enter the entries, click

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread Jason Grout
Bill Page wrote: > Where can I find and/or test "jsmath equation editor"? I guess it's a little confusing to call it that, since mathdox apparently uses jsmath too. What we are referring to is an equation editor that Davide (the author of jsmath) wrote: http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/talks/2

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread Nick Alexander
> One easy thing to do would be to have a bunch of "helpers" for easy > things, like matrices. Isn't this what interact is good for? Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send e

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.rc0 - division bug on second and subsequent evaluation of cell?

2009-05-22 Thread Nick Alexander
> We do this to avoid the (large) overhead of re-creating constants in > the bodies of loops, functions, etc. Perhaps we need to detect the > Integer=xxx line explicitly? Doing this accurately is equivalent to the halting problem. This is what pragmas are for, but do we really want to start su

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.rc0 - division bug on second and subsequent evaluation of cell?

2009-05-22 Thread Franco Saliola
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Kevin Horton wrote: > > On 22 May 2009, at 16:07, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > >> On May 22, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Kevin Horton wrote: >> >>> I am using sage-4.0.rc0 on 32 bit ubuntu 8.10. >>> >>> I have discovered a very strange interaction between the >>> "Integer=int"

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread Jason Grout
Serge A. Salamanka wrote: > It will be great to enable Sage with 2D input. > > Any ideas how to do this ? > One easy thing to do would be to have a bunch of "helpers" for easy things, like matrices. A student clicks on a button, and a javascript window pops up that lets them specify the size

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.rc0 - division bug on second and subsequent evaluation of cell?

2009-05-22 Thread Kevin Horton
On 22 May 2009, at 16:07, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On May 22, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Kevin Horton wrote: > >> I am using sage-4.0.rc0 on 32 bit ubuntu 8.10. >> >> I have discovered a very strange interaction between the >> "Integer=int" >> declaration, division, and the number of times a worksheet i

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread Ben Goodrich
On May 22, 1:52 pm, "Serge A. Salamanka" wrote: > It will be great to enable Sage with 2D input. > > Any ideas how to do this ? > > #Serge R has 2D input for numerics or characters that conceivably could be wrapped and parsed by Sage. Still ugly though. Ben --~--~-~--~~

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.rc0 - division bug on second and subsequent evaluation of cell?

2009-05-22 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On May 22, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Kevin Horton wrote: > I am using sage-4.0.rc0 on 32 bit ubuntu 8.10. > > I have discovered a very strange interaction between the "Integer=int" > declaration, division, and the number of times a worksheet is > evaluated. This is an error due to literal constant ex

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.0.rc0 released!

2009-05-22 Thread Robert Bradshaw
I wasn't able to build on OS X 10.4 intel: [...] gcc -std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../.. -I../../ tests-m32 -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mtune=nocona -march=nocona -c t-locale.c /bin/sh ../../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -std=gnu99 -m32 -O2 - fomit-frame-pointer -mtune=no

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread Bill Page
Where can I find and/or test "jsmath equation editor"? How difficult might it be to convert the output of this editor to input to Sage? 2009/5/22 William Stein : > > 2009/5/22 Bill Page : >> >> It might be a stretch to fit this into the Sage NoteBook but the >> MathDox formula editor >> >>  http

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.alpha0 build failure on OS X PPC

2009-05-22 Thread mabshoff
On May 21, 1:19 am, gsw wrote: > Hi, > using ABI="32" >       CC="gcc -std=gnu99" >       CFLAGS="-O2 -mpowerpc -no-cpp-precomp -force_cpusubtype_ALL" >       CPPFLAGS="" >       CXX="g++" >       CXXFLAGS="-O2 -mpowerpc -no-cpp-precomp -force_cpusubtype_ALL" >       MPN_PATH=" powerpc32/vmx

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread Jaap Spies
William Stein wrote: > 2009/5/22 Bill Page : >> It might be a stretch to fit this into the Sage NoteBook but the >> MathDox formula editor >> >> šhttp://www.mathdox.org/formulaeditor/ >> >> might be a good starting point. > > To me that looks less capable and more ugly than the jsmath equation ed

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread mabshoff
On May 22, 11:24 am, William Stein wrote: > 2009/5/22 Bill Page : > > > > > It might be a stretch to fit this into the Sage NoteBook but the > > MathDox formula editor > > >  http://www.mathdox.org/formulaeditor/ > > > might be a good starting point. > > To me that looks less capable and more u

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread William Stein
2009/5/22 Bill Page : > > It might be a stretch to fit this into the Sage NoteBook but the > MathDox formula editor > >  http://www.mathdox.org/formulaeditor/ > > might be a good starting point. To me that looks less capable and more ugly than the jsmath equation editor. William >The intermedia

[sage-devel] Re: 1) SAGE-WN distribution for cluster worker nodes

2009-05-22 Thread Serge A. Salamanka
Well, everything you said is true. But I need to recommend Sage for installation to other people. I guess this is not very important at the first stage. So I'll proceed with Ganga and DIANE. Several admins from BalticGrid didn't object compiling Sage for installations, so an rpm package may not

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread Bill Page
It might be a stretch to fit this into the Sage NoteBook but the MathDox formula editor http://www.mathdox.org/formulaeditor/ might be a good starting point. The intermediate format produced by the formula editor is actually OpenMath and in principle OpenMath was designed for just this sort of

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-22 Thread Serge A. Salamanka
It will be great to enable Sage with 2D input. Any ideas how to do this ? #Serge jason-s...@creativetrax.com пишет: > Ben Woodruff wrote: >> Do you know if 2D math input is in the process of being developed, >> such as being able to type matrices in matrix format instead of having >> to creat

[sage-devel] Re: A bug in multi-variate polynomial ring

2009-05-22 Thread John Cremona
2009/5/22 John H Palmieri : > > > > On May 22, 4:16 am, Martin Albrecht > wrote: >> On Friday 22 May 2009, John Cremona wrote: >> >> > There are 3 conventions for the degree of the 0 polynomial, none of which >> > is 0: >> >> > (1) None (a bit lazy and hard to work with in most non-python languag

[sage-devel] Re: A bug in multi-variate polynomial ring

2009-05-22 Thread Kwankyu
I would love R(0).degree() == -Infinity. But if there is a compelling reason such as performance or history, -1 is just ok... Kwankyu --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email

[sage-devel] Re: Thread for random comments about pynac review

2009-05-22 Thread kcrisman
> 1. This is a very naive comment, but why are all the calculus/ > calculus.py methods not in the form > {{{ > function(self,parameters)}}} > > and instead in the form > {{{ > function(ex,parameters)}}} > > or > {{{ > function(expression,parameters)}}} > > ?  I understand why - in some sense it m

[sage-devel] Thread for random comments about pynac review

2009-05-22 Thread kcrisman
My apologies if these comments belong on the ticket; my original intent was simply to assist the "official" referees of this stuff in case they missed them (assuming that they are in fact problems), but it seems now have pointed out things that just possibly might engender discussion, so I figure

[sage-devel] Re: A bug in multi-variate polynomial ring

2009-05-22 Thread John H Palmieri
On May 22, 4:16 am, Martin Albrecht wrote: > On Friday 22 May 2009, John Cremona wrote: > > > There are 3 conventions for the degree of the 0 polynomial, none of which > > is 0: > > > (1) None (a bit lazy and hard to work with in most non-python languages) > > (2) -1     (rather arbitrary, I th

[sage-devel] Re: notebook problems /w chrome 2

2009-05-22 Thread Brendan
Hi, I was the one who originally reported the bug - both to Chrome dev team and the SAGE bugtracker. FYI Chrome 2 beta has now become the stable and updates are silent and forced with no possible way back to previous versions :-( Regardless of the merits of this policy, Chrome's share is already

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.0.rc0 released!

2009-05-22 Thread mabshoff
On May 22, 1:46 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > mabshoff wrote: > > Hi, > > > I gotta run to the airport, but sources and upgrade bits of 4.0.rc0 > > are in > > >    http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-4.0/rc0/ > > I must say, it's looking better on Solaris. ;) > Befo

[sage-devel] Re: algorithm vs. method

2009-05-22 Thread Gonzalo Tornaria
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:18 AM, John Cremona wrote: > 2009/5/22 Gonzalo Tornaria : >> Sometimes I wish there was a standard/uniform way to code the frontend >> for a multiple-implementation function in such a way that >> >> (a) introspection knows about it, so e.g. "function??" shows the >> actu

[sage-devel] Re: A bug in multi-variate polynomial ring

2009-05-22 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Friday 22 May 2009, John Cremona wrote: > There are 3 conventions for the degree of the 0 polynomial, none of which > is 0: > > (1) None (a bit lazy and hard to work with in most non-python languages) > (2) -1 (rather arbitrary, I think, it just has the useful property > of being strictly l

[sage-devel] Re: A bug in multi-variate polynomial ring

2009-05-22 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Friday 22 May 2009, simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote: > Hi, > > On 22 Mai, 02:29, Kwankyu wrote: > ... > > > This seems to me a bug. Isn't it? I am using Sage 3.4.2. > > Or at least: It is a very nasty inconsistency -- and note that the > inconsistent behaviour apparently is intended. > At least,

[sage-devel] Re: not all controls on interact should trigger an update

2009-05-22 Thread pang
On May 21, 11:33 pm, pang wrote: > I have uploaded an example of an interaction which could be used to > present the problem of the eight queens: > > http://wiki.sagemath.org/interact/misc#Queensonboard I also added an example: play nim against a perfect oponent. I created a special page in th

[sage-devel] sage-4.0.rc0 - division bug on second and subsequent evaluation of cell?

2009-05-22 Thread Kevin Horton
I am using sage-4.0.rc0 on 32 bit ubuntu 8.10. I have discovered a very strange interaction between the "Integer=int" declaration, division, and the number of times a worksheet is evaluated. Consider the following worksheet. The very first time it is evaluated, division is handled as float

[sage-devel] Re: A bug in multi-variate polynomial ring

2009-05-22 Thread simon . king
Dear John On 22 Mai, 10:25, John Cremona wrote: > There are 3 conventions for the degree of the 0 polynomial, none of which is > 0: > > (1) None (a bit lazy and hard to work with in most non-python languages) > (2) -1     (rather arbitrary, I think, it just has the useful property > of being st

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.0.rc0 released!

2009-05-22 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
mabshoff wrote: > Hi, > > I gotta run to the airport, but sources and upgrade bits of 4.0.rc0 > are in > >http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-4.0/rc0/ I must say, it's looking better on Solaris. Before going to bed, I started to build 4.0.rc0. I woke up this mornin

[sage-devel] Re: A bug in multi-variate polynomial ring

2009-05-22 Thread John Cremona
There are 3 conventions for the degree of the 0 polynomial, none of which is 0: (1) None (a bit lazy and hard to work with in most non-python languages) (2) -1 (rather arbitrary, I think, it just has the useful property of being strictly less than any other degree) (3) -Infinity (less arbitra

[sage-devel] Re: algorithm vs. method

2009-05-22 Thread John Cremona
2009/5/22 Gonzalo Tornaria : > > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM, John Cremona wrote: >> However sometimes I have felt that "algorithm" did not quite capture >> the distinction being made for some function. I have written >> functions in Sage which have an algorithm parameter which can be >> eit

[sage-devel] Re: A bug in multi-variate polynomial ring

2009-05-22 Thread simon . king
Hi, On 22 Mai, 02:29, Kwankyu wrote: ... > This seems to me a bug. Isn't it? I am using Sage 3.4.2. Or at least: It is a very nasty inconsistency -- and note that the inconsistent behaviour apparently is intended. At least, it is doc tested: In the univariate case, we have the doc test

[sage-devel] Re: Wiki translation?

2009-05-22 Thread Franco Saliola
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:00 AM, ahmet alper parker wrote: > > If not any exists or poor, I can contribute in the Turkish translation > too... If there is a standard way of doing that, it would be much > easier for other languages as well... You can find more information regarding translations o

[sage-devel] Re: Wiki translation?

2009-05-22 Thread Franco Saliola
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Maurizio wrote: > > Hi all, > > For some strange reason, I fell into the SAGE-intro-Italian wiki page. > I am Italian, and I can see that translation has been done with an > automatic translator (something like babelfish or google translate), > and looks a bit em