[sage-devel] Sage 4.1.1.rc1 released

2009-08-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, The Sage 4.1.1.rc1 release has been about sorting out a number of doctest failures reported in previous alpha and rc releases. Source and binary are available at http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mvngu/release/sage-4.1.1.rc1.tar http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mvngu/release/sag

[sage-devel] Re: Getting started with my own branch

2009-08-04 Thread Gonzalo Tornaria
Victor, Do you have a script "sage" in your ~/bin which runs the system wide sage? If you run your local sage with "mysage", what happens when you run "sage"? What happens if you do $ mysage -sh $ sage will this run your local or the systemwide sage? AFAIK, the notebook process which you run b

[sage-devel] Re: What do we do about the Maxima / ecl / Solaris issues?

2009-08-04 Thread brandon.bar...@gmail.com
Actually this seems to be an issue with it trying to link to the system mpfr. Shouldn't sage built its own mpfr? On Aug 4, 9:01 pm, "brandon.bar...@gmail.com" wrote: > Well, I didn't have any trouble with MPIR in 4.1.1.rc0! > > bash-3.2$ ls spkg/installed/ > bzip2-1.0.5             conway_polyn

[sage-devel] Re: What do we do about the Maxima / ecl / Solaris issues?

2009-08-04 Thread brandon.bar...@gmail.com
Well, I didn't have any trouble with MPIR in 4.1.1.rc0! bash-3.2$ ls spkg/installed/ bzip2-1.0.5 conway_polynomials-0.2 dir-0.1 mpir-1.2.p4 prereq-0.3 sage_scripts-4.1.1.rc0 But it looks like termcap is having linker problems - I'll try using gnu ld/as t

[sage-devel] Re: What do we do about the Maxima / ecl / Solaris issues?

2009-08-04 Thread brandon.bar...@gmail.com
I think my current gcc toolchain may be doomed, as it uses the sun linker and the gnu assembler! (I read this was a good thing to do, at least at some point in history). Configured with: ../gcc-4.4.0/configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable- shared --disable-static --disable-libtool-lock --enable-

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Solaris - I've managed to build it with gcc 4.4.0 !!

2009-08-04 Thread David Kirkby
2009/8/4 William Stein : > Once Sage builds on t2 (or disk.math), I can look into the notebook issue. > > William As soon as it does, I'll let you know. Dave --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe

[sage-devel] Re: Getting started with my own branch

2009-08-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM, VictorMiller wrote: > > It isn't. Systemwide SAGE is only in my path if I run a particular > script. I tried this in a fresh shell and checked that the systemwide > SAGE wasn't there. The problem was still there! > 1. Go to a temp directory and type sage -n

[sage-devel] Re: Getting started with my own branch

2009-08-04 Thread VictorMiller
It isn't. Systemwide SAGE is only in my path if I run a particular script. I tried this in a fresh shell and checked that the systemwide SAGE wasn't there. The problem was still there! Victor On Aug 4, 5:12 pm, William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:12 PM, VictorMiller wrote: > > >

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Solaris - I've managed to build it with gcc 4.4.0 !!

2009-08-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:55 PM, David Kirkby wrote: > > Last night Sage 4.1.1.rc0 built on my Sun Ultra 80, though I had to > bypass Maxima and apply a hack to the pari include file. It appeared > to work, though the notebook does not. > > This was using Solaris 10 update 7 (same as on t2) and GC

[sage-devel] Re: Getting started with my own branch

2009-08-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:12 PM, VictorMiller wrote: > > More info. When I type > > notebook() > > after typing the banner telling me to open my web browser > it prints a path to a system files copy of sob.py (not my local > copy!) > and a deprecation warning about the md5 module. > Why don't y

[sage-devel] Re: Is new symbolic derivative really worth the efforts?

2009-08-04 Thread Maurizio
That's great! Congratulations! maurizio On 4 Ago, 18:09, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Nick Alexander wrote: > > > Can you pattern match on it?  It's really irritating to do subs/ > > pattern matching on the existing derivatives. > > Yep! In fact, that was the m

[sage-devel] Re: experience with pyjamas for the notebook

2009-08-04 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:45 PM, William Stein wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Ondrej Certik wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:20 PM, William Stein wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Ondrej Certik >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:51 PM

[sage-devel] Sage on Solaris - I've managed to build it with gcc 4.4.0 !!

2009-08-04 Thread David Kirkby
Last night Sage 4.1.1.rc0 built on my Sun Ultra 80, though I had to bypass Maxima and apply a hack to the pari include file. It appeared to work, though the notebook does not. This was using Solaris 10 update 7 (same as on t2) and GCC version 4.4.0 (GCC version 4.4.1 was released two weeks ago).

[sage-devel] Re: Getting started with my own branch

2009-08-04 Thread VictorMiller
More info. When I type notebook() after typing the banner telling me to open my web browser it prints a path to a system files copy of sob.py (not my local copy!) and a deprecation warning about the md5 module. Victor On Aug 4, 2:46 pm, gsw wrote: > Guess 2: > You need to "run" this new cop

[sage-devel] Re: Getting started with my own branch

2009-08-04 Thread VictorMiller
Thanks for the suggestions. I checked -- my local copies are all writeable, and sage-current-location.txt contains my local path. As I said in the previous post, everything works ok in command line. It's just when I work from the notebook that I get pointed back at the system files. Could my ~/.

[sage-devel] Re: Getting started with my own branch

2009-08-04 Thread gsw
Guess 2: You need to "run" this new copy of Sage at least once, i.e. type just "mysage" to start the Sage interpreter. Sage recognizes that "itself" has been moved, and re-generates certain hard-linked paths. Have a look at (with probably $SAGE_ROOT == ~/mysage in your case) the contents of the

[sage-devel] Re: SageWorldMath.blip.TV

2009-08-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Serge A. Salamanka wrote: > > I have created one tv channel on blip.tv to put some blog videos about > using Sage (mostly in russian). > http://sageworldmath.blip.tv Great idea! > > The first file from Sage Days 19 is for testing purpose. That's not Sage Days

[sage-devel] Re: Getting started with my own branch

2009-08-04 Thread VictorMiller
More details. When I invoke mysage from the command line, and I type sys.path it prints paths pointing to my local branch. However, if I fire up the notebook server by notebook() start a new notebook and type sys.path it points to the system wide directory. If I type os.environ['SAGE_ROOT

[sage-devel] Re: Getting started with my own branch

2009-08-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:40 AM, VictorMiller wrote: > > I have a copy of SAGE 4.1 installed in our system files, and I want to > work on changing some code.  So, I copied sage and its subdirectories > into my home directory: > > cp -p -R sage-system-directory ~/sage > > I also copied the sage scr

[sage-devel] Re: The 3-days Sage Formation I gave + Feedbacks and thoughts

2009-08-04 Thread slabbe
Hi Dan, > Thanks for reporting these. Both of those things, I think, should work. > I will check on them and see if I can fix them. If possible, it would be > helpful if actual .tex files that showed those errors could be posted > somewhere or sent to me. > > Dan I just uploaded a new version of

[sage-devel] Re: What do we do about the Maxima / ecl / Solaris issues?

2009-08-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:06 AM, David Kirkby wrote: > > 2009/8/4 Simon King : >> >> Your implication that ECL should "note the error and then continue to >> compile" somehow reminds a recent thread (probably on sage-devel) >> where it was reported that some spkg sends compiler warnings to /dev/ >>

[sage-devel] Getting started with my own branch

2009-08-04 Thread VictorMiller
I have a copy of SAGE 4.1 installed in our system files, and I want to work on changing some code. So, I copied sage and its subdirectories into my home directory: cp -p -R sage-system-directory ~/sage I also copied the sage script into my ~/bin, renaming it mysage and then edited the SAGE_ROOT

[sage-devel] Re: PolyBoRi 0.6 vs. Sage degrevlex

2009-08-04 Thread Michael Brickenstein
Well, if you want an degree ordering, which is descending for the variables, we have degree lexicographical ordering in PolyBoRi fully supported. Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from

[sage-devel] Re: Is new symbolic derivative really worth the efforts?

2009-08-04 Thread Nick Alexander
On 4-Aug-09, at 9:09 AM, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Nick > Alexander wrote: >> >> Can you pattern match on it? It's really irritating to do subs/ >> pattern matching on the existing derivatives. > > Yep! In fact, that was the main reason for doing so :-).

[sage-devel] Re: PolyBoRi 0.6 vs. Sage degrevlex

2009-08-04 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Tuesday 04 August 2009, Nick Alexander wrote: > On 4-Aug-09, at 7:44 AM, Michael Brickenstein wrote: > > Maintaining these lookup tables and other tricks is a lot of work, > > which could be invested elsewhere, e.g. your PHD. > > Even for me, the difference between these orderings is pure subti

[sage-devel] Re: Is new symbolic derivative really worth the efforts?

2009-08-04 Thread Golam Mortuza Hossain
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Nick Alexander wrote: > > Can you pattern match on it?  It's really irritating to do subs/ > pattern matching on the existing derivatives. Yep! In fact, that was the main reason for doing so :-). The new "diff" derivative is really a symbolic "function". So regular

[sage-devel] Re: Is new symbolic derivative really worth the efforts?

2009-08-04 Thread Nick Alexander
> I am back again on this issue :-) I just completed a native c++ > implementation of "diff" format derivative in pynac. Can you pattern match on it? It's really irritating to do subs/ pattern matching on the existing derivatives. Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To

[sage-devel] Re: Is new symbolic derivative really worth the efforts?

2009-08-04 Thread Golam Mortuza Hossain
Hi, On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 3:11 PM, William Stein wrote: >> At first glance doing this sounds like a really good idea.  How hard >> would it be for you to make a mock-up prototype of this to more >> clearly demonstrate it?   I'm def

[sage-devel] Re: PolyBoRi 0.6 vs. Sage degrevlex

2009-08-04 Thread Nick Alexander
On 4-Aug-09, at 7:44 AM, Michael Brickenstein wrote: > Maintaining these lookup tables and other tricks is a lot of work, > which could be invested elsewhere, e.g. your PHD. > Even for me, the difference between these orderings is pure subtility > from a users perspective. I disagree. When yo

[sage-devel] Re: Maplesoft sold to Japanese firm

2009-08-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here's a news story about Maplesoft, the maker of Maple, being > acquired by Japanese comany Cybernet Systems. Thank you to Richard > Fateman for the link. > > http://news.therecord.com/Business/article/578473 And here's the press

[sage-devel] Re: reviews for symbolics bug fixes

2009-08-04 Thread Golam Mortuza Hossain
Hi Burcin, On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Burcin Erocal wrote: > Note that the new package also supports a flag to disable chain rule > for symbolic functions. This will definitely be useful for constructs > such as symbolic integrals, sums, products, limits, etc. > > It should also pave the wa

[sage-devel] Re: only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread David Kirkby
2009/8/4 Minh Nguyen : > > Hi Carlo, > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Carlo > Hamalainen wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: >>> Have a look at this patch viewed in a browser: >>> >>> http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/attachment/ticket/6674/trac_6674-use-ascii.patc

[sage-devel] Re: PolyBoRi 0.6 vs. Sage degrevlex

2009-08-04 Thread Michael Brickenstein
Hi! Maintaining these lookup tables and other tricks is a lot of work, which could be invested elsewhere, e.g. your PHD. Even for me, the difference between these orderings is pure subtility from a users perspective. However the ascending variant is far more efficient with ZDDs. Michael On 4 Au

[sage-devel] Re: The 3-days Sage Formation I gave + Feedbacks and thoughts

2009-08-04 Thread javier
On Aug 3, 6:47 pm, William Stein wrote: > One other thing -- I keep feeling I should write a more formal > textbook based on those worksheets from 480a.  I'm teaching the course > April - June, so having it done by then would be the goal.   This > would be the sort of thing that gets done and is

[sage-devel] Re: The 3-days Sage Formation I gave + Feedbacks and thoughts

2009-08-04 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: >> * The same somebody likes the idea of defining in Sage object and translate >> it from one system to the other. One reason is that he told me that he >> prefers the sage latex output for some object. I think translation of >> objects could be more consistant. For instance :

[sage-devel] PolyBoRi 0.6 vs. Sage degrevlex

2009-08-04 Thread Martin Albrecht
Hi there, in a thread on [sage-support] a bug in our PolyBoRi 0.6 wrapper was discovered which lead to a wrong GB computation (the result wasn't a Gröbner basis): http://is.gd/22e48 It turns out this is (partly) due to our trick to implement 'degrevlex', i.e. we simple put the variables in ba

[sage-devel] Re: The 3-days Sage Formation I gave + Feedbacks and thoughts

2009-08-04 Thread Pat LeSmithe
William Stein wrote: > %timeit is an Ipython command. In the notebook it would be pretty > easy to make it so that if you put %timeit at the beginning of a > block, then the *whole block* of code is timed, and the running time > is reported. I added that to my list. Variation on a theme: http

[sage-devel] Re: freetype uses 'gcc --pedantic', then sends warnings to /dev/null !!

2009-08-04 Thread David Kirkby
2009/8/4 David Kirkby : > I know I have complained a bit about the fact that many packages > purposely ignore warning messages, but I thought this one rather > amusing in freetype-2.3.5.p1. gcc is build with the '-pedantic' > option, which according to the gcc docs: I should have made that cleare

[sage-devel] freetype uses 'gcc --pedantic', then sends warnings to /dev/null !!

2009-08-04 Thread David Kirkby
I know I have complained a bit about the fact that many packages purposely ignore warning messages, but I thought this one rather amusing in freetype-2.3.5.p1. gcc is build with the '-pedantic' option, which according to the gcc docs: -pedantic Issue all the warnings demanded by strict ISO C

[sage-devel] Re: only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Carlo, On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Carlo Hamalainen wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: >> Have a look at this patch viewed in a browser: >> >> http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/attachment/ticket/6674/trac_6674-use-ascii.patch > > Right, so what happens if we se

[sage-devel] Re: only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread Carlo Hamalainen
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Have a look at this patch viewed in a browser: > > http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/attachment/ticket/6674/trac_6674-use-ascii.patch Right, so what happens if we set default_charset to utf-8 in trac.ini? http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracIni

[sage-devel] PLMMS 2009: Call for Participation

2009-08-04 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
The ACM SIGSAM 2009 International Workshop on Programming Languages for Mechanized Mathematics Systems Munich, Germany; August 21, 2009 The ACM SIGSAM 2009 International Workshop on Programming Languages for Mechanized Mathematics Systems will be co-lo

[sage-devel] Re: only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Carlo, On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Carlo Hamalainen wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: >> Just an aside: with UTF-8 in source files, one can't read the >> non-ASCII characters in the patch when viewed using trac or a browser. >> Just my 2-cent. > > Why does tra

[sage-devel] Re: only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread Carlo Hamalainen
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Just an aside: with UTF-8 in source files, one can't read the > non-ASCII characters in the patch when viewed using trac or a browser. > Just my 2-cent. Why does trac have an issue with non-ASCII characters? It doesn't do utf-8? -- Carlo Häm

[sage-devel] Re: An improved spkg-install (for general usage)

2009-08-04 Thread David Kirkby
2009/8/3 Ondrej Certik : > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Dr. David > Kirkby wrote: >> I noticed one package (lcalc) was passing GNU specific flags to the >> assembler to suppress warnings. I've seen other packages send warning to >> /dev/null. >> >> I decided to change the spkg-install for 'l

[sage-devel] Re: only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Dag, On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: >> An O with double dots is definitely not an A. It might be represented as >> "Oe" (though I'm open for correction about the usual practice in from >> Swedish/Finnish people). > > Actually, you are probably talking about dif

[sage-devel] Re: only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
Dag wrote: > Minh Nguyen wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:32 PM, David Kirkby >> wrote: >>> >>> 2009/8/4 Minh Nguyen : Hi folks, Michael Abshoff has complained before about using non-ASCII characters in patches. Today, I experienced first-hand why he comp

[sage-devel] Re: only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Dag, On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: > An O with double dots is definitely not an A. It might be represented as > "Oe" (though I'm open for correction about the usual practice in from > Swedish/Finnish people). > > I don't know whether Sage has made a decision t

[sage-devel] Re: only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
Minh Nguyen wrote: > Hi David, > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:32 PM, David Kirkby > wrote: >> >> 2009/8/4 Minh Nguyen : >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Michael Abshoff has complained before about using non-ASCII characters >>> in patches. Today, I experienced first-hand why he complained. The >>> thing is

[sage-devel] Re: only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi David, On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:32 PM, David Kirkby wrote: > > 2009/8/4 Minh Nguyen : >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Michael Abshoff has complained before about using non-ASCII characters >> in patches. Today, I experienced first-hand why he complained. The >> thing is, if a Sage library file contains

[sage-devel] Re: only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread David Kirkby
2009/8/4 Minh Nguyen : > > Hi folks, > > Michael Abshoff has complained before about using non-ASCII characters > in patches. Today, I experienced first-hand why he complained. The > thing is, if a Sage library file contains non-ASCII characters, this > can result in errors or warnings when loadin

[sage-devel] SageWorldMath.blip.TV

2009-08-04 Thread Serge A. Salamanka
I have created one tv channel on blip.tv to put some blog videos about using Sage (mostly in russian). http://sageworldmath.blip.tv The first file from Sage Days 19 is for testing purpose. There seems to be a possibility to earn some money by broadcasting the shows. How do you look at the idea to

[sage-devel] only use ASCII characters in patches

2009-08-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, Michael Abshoff has complained before about using non-ASCII characters in patches. Today, I experienced first-hand why he complained. The thing is, if a Sage library file contains non-ASCII characters, this can result in errors or warnings when loading Sage. I recently merged #5793, whi

[sage-devel] Re: What do we do about the Maxima / ecl / Solaris issues?

2009-08-04 Thread David Kirkby
2009/8/4 Simon King : > > Your implication that ECL should "note the error and then continue to > compile" somehow reminds a recent thread (probably on sage-devel) > where it was reported that some spkg sends compiler warnings to /dev/ > null. Yes it was in sage-devel. I raised this as an objecti

[sage-devel] Re: cool things coming up in matplotlib

2009-08-04 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote: > > On 08/04/09 00:58, Ondrej Certik wrote: >>> I'm posting this since multiple people have touched this code in Sage, >>> and might be interested in looking at a soon-to-be-native way to do it >>> in matplotlib. >> >> Matplotlib guys roc