[sage-devel] Two 14.04 binaries

2015-02-23 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi What is the difference between the lmza and lrz files? ftp://ftp.sun.ac.za/pub/mirrors/www.sagemath.org/linux/64bit/index.html Besides the obvious difference in compression. Regards, Jan -- .~. /V\ Jan Groenewald /( )\www.aims.ac.za ^^-^^ -- You received this message becaus

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days during Mar 21-29, 2015?

2015-02-23 Thread kcrisman
> > > >> I have teaching duties that week, so, unfortunately, i can't go. > >>> > >>> > > > > Same here. > > When is your Spring Break? > > Just a couple weeks from now, and already spoken for :) sorry :( because I would be interested in a dedicated Sage time right now, which I don't have

[sage-devel] Re: remove optional packages: extra_docs-20070208, java3d-20070901, knoboo-20080411

2015-02-23 Thread kcrisman
> > In fact, I would be OK with removing all of the following as official > optional Sage packages that appear when doing "sage -optional" on a > fresh sage-6.5 install: > > beautifulsoup-3.2.1 . not installed # in pypi > Then we would need to update some documentat

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days during Mar 21-29, 2015?

2015-02-23 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:00 PM, kcrisman wrote: >> I have teaching duties that week, so, unfortunately, i can't go. >>> >>> > > Same here. When is your Spring Break? -- William > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubs

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days during Mar 21-29, 2015?

2015-02-23 Thread kcrisman
> > I have teaching duties that week, so, unfortunately, i can't go. > >> >> Same here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@go

[sage-devel] remove optional packages: extra_docs-20070208, java3d-20070901, knoboo-20080411

2015-02-23 Thread William Stein
Hi, I propose that we remove the optional package "extra_docs-20070208" from sage completely. It's static copies of documentation from 8 years ago relevant to sage. It's a package I made. Clearly I'm not updating it. I also think we should remove java3d-20070901 and knoboo-20080411. In fact

[sage-devel] Re: documentation coverage report

2015-02-23 Thread Simon King
Hi Karl-Dieter, On 2015-02-23, kcrisman wrote: > There is even a tag (I forget the exact wording) for saying that this is an > indirect doctest, which hopefully this script picks out. sage: I think the tag it is # indirect doctest Cheers, Simon -- You received this message because you are su

[sage-devel] Re: documentation coverage report

2015-02-23 Thread kcrisman
There is even a tag (I forget the exact wording) for saying that this is an indirect doctest, which hopefully this script picks out. On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 1:22:51 PM UTC-5, Nils Bruin wrote: > > On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8, kcrisman wrote: >> >> I couldn't get a go

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Addition of zero in the coercion model

2015-02-23 Thread Jonas Jermann
Hi In my case there is a cm.coercion_map(parent(myElement), parent(0)) (line 907) namely the coercions into the modular forms ring. These maps are then used to map both myElement and 0 to the modular forms ring (in contrast to the (vector) space myElement.parent()). Unfortunately the check for

[sage-devel] Re: how to unsubscribe from Trac ticket updates

2015-02-23 Thread Robert Dodier
On 2015-02-21, Volker Braun wrote: > http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9971 Thanks, it's comforting to hear it's a known problem. See also the discussion at: https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/16763 Apparently a key configuration variable, given the current notification system, is always_notif

[sage-devel] Re: documentation coverage report

2015-02-23 Thread Nils Bruin
On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8, kcrisman wrote: > > I couldn't get a good sense of what "wrong" meant from that patch. What > does that specifically refer to? > I wondered about that too. Apparently, it's "sage --coverage" jargon. A doctest is "possibly wrong" if the name of

[sage-devel] Re: missing changelog

2015-02-23 Thread kcrisman
There is currently a 404 for > http://sagemath.org/mirror/src/changelogs/sage-6.5.txt > which is linked from > http://sagemath.org/ > > Yes, there is always a slight delay in creating this because the creation is no longer an automated part of the process. The finalized version should be

[sage-devel] Re: GSoC projects

2015-02-23 Thread mmarco
I think it would make more sense to wrap qepcad than to rewrite its functionality from scratch. Of course, SymPy doesn't follow the same approach as Sage, so i guess for them it makes sense to reinvent the wheel. El lunes, 23 de febrero de 2015, 17:13:38 (UTC+1), robert.pollak escribió: > > Am

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days during Mar 21-29, 2015?

2015-02-23 Thread mmarco
I have teaching duties that week, so, unfortunately, i can't go. El lunes, 23 de febrero de 2015, 19:06:31 (UTC+1), William escribió: > > Hi, > > How many people would be interested in a Sage days in (very nice > sunny) Seattle during Mar 21-29, 2015, a month from now? This is > during UW's sp

[sage-devel] Re: documentation coverage report

2015-02-23 Thread kcrisman
> > 401 files with wrong documentation > > I couldn't get a good sense of what "wrong" meant from that patch. What does that specifically refer to? Thanks, - kcrisman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this g

[sage-devel] Sage Days during Mar 21-29, 2015?

2015-02-23 Thread William Stein
Hi, How many people would be interested in a Sage days in (very nice sunny) Seattle during Mar 21-29, 2015, a month from now? This is during UW's spring break, so we would have plenty of space on campus. This would be all expenses paid for all US people (unfortunately the grant only covers them)

[sage-devel] documentation coverage report

2015-02-23 Thread Vincent Delecroix
Hello, Because of #17841 we can get global statistics of documentation coverage... and right now Global score: 94.4% (35344 of 37421) 401 files with wrong documentation 1514 functions with no doc 563 functions with no test 310 doctest are potentially wrong Vincent -- You received this message

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Enhancement Proposal: Edwards Curves Library

2015-02-23 Thread John Cremona
I think this would be for pedagogical purposes. There would be no point (that I can see) in duplicating all the functionality now available for Weierstrass models. Obvioulsy Bernstein's optimised formulas should be used, otherwise there is really little point. But don't artificially restrict to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 23/02/2015 16:25, Volker Braun a écrit : Yes, exactly! On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 4:16:40 PM UTC+1, Snark wrote: If I put something similar in configure_fast, will I be able to test it looks good using : export SAGE_ATLAS_ARCH=fast ./sage -f atlas It's ticket #17843. And this tim

[sage-devel] Re: GSoC projects

2015-02-23 Thread Robert Pollak
Am 13.02.2015 um 17:04 schrieb mmarco: > Apperently there have been some movement on that aspect on sympy too: Yes, but unfortunately no GSoC students worked on this. They also have no CAD yet, see https://github.com/sympy/sympy/wiki/GSoC-2015-Ideas#cylindrical-algebraic-decomposition . -- Yo

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Volker Braun
Yes, exactly! On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 4:16:40 PM UTC+1, Snark wrote: > > If I put something similar in configure_fast, will I be able to test it > looks good using : > export SAGE_ATLAS_ARCH=fast > ./sage -f atlas > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 23/02/2015 15:48, Julien Puydt a écrit : Le 23/02/2015 15:40, Jean-Pierre Flori a écrit : I agree with Volker, just put one thing here. I would say: arch='ARMv6' for base (and arch="ARMv7" for fast if you want to enable a "fast" configuration). It would also be good to put ISA="" (don't re

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Enhancement Proposal: Edwards Curves Library

2015-02-23 Thread Vincent Delecroix
2015-02-23 15:54 UTC+01:00, Bill Hart : > On the other hand, if there are theoretically interesting problems > [...] Pedagogical purpose can be fine as well. But in that case, the documentation has to be irreproachable. Vincent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goog

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Enhancement Proposal: Edwards Curves Library

2015-02-23 Thread Bill Hart
I'm a bit ignorant about Edwards models. I understood its main usefulness was because it was faster than the usual models, requiring less arithmetic operations. Given that this was the primary usefulness, wouldn't it make sense to compare your library with some other fast libraries to show that

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 23/02/2015 15:40, Jean-Pierre Flori a écrit : I agree with Volker, just put one thing here. I would say: arch='ARMv6' for base (and arch="ARMv7" for fast if you want to enable a "fast" configuration). It would also be good to put ISA="" (don't remember the var name or syntax) to explicitely d

[sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 3:34:08 PM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > On 2015-02-23, Julien Puydt > wrote: > > Le 23/02/2015 15:05, Julien Puydt a écrit : > >> Le 23/02/2015 14:27, Julien Puydt a écrit : > >>> That will take some time though : this box isn't fast. And I work on > it >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 23/02/2015 15:34, Volker Braun a écrit : The "base" configuration is supposed to be a fixed one. If you want to tune for your respective cpu then we can do that already. What do we fix to, then armv7 or armv6 ? Snark on #sagemath -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 23/02/2015 15:33, Dima Pasechnik a écrit : hmm, shouldn't there also be a distinction between hardware and software floats? (Although I believe ARM chips you want to run Sage on all have hardware floats - but the question is how the OS is configured). There is already code in spkg-install

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Volker Braun
The "base" configuration is supposed to be a fixed one. If you want to tune for your respective cpu then we can do that already. On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 3:26:47 PM UTC+1, Snark wrote: > > Le 23/02/2015 15:05, Julien Puydt a écrit : > > Le 23/02/2015 14:27, Julien Puydt a écrit : > >> Th

[sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2015-02-23, Julien Puydt wrote: > Le 23/02/2015 15:05, Julien Puydt a écrit : >> Le 23/02/2015 14:27, Julien Puydt a écrit : >>> That will take some time though : this box isn't fast. And I work on it >>> while it plays with sage. > > In fact, when an arch is given, it does compile ad nauseum s

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 23/02/2015 15:05, Julien Puydt a écrit : Le 23/02/2015 14:27, Julien Puydt a écrit : That will take some time though : this box isn't fast. And I work on it while it plays with sage. In fact, when an arch is given, it does compile ad nauseum so it doesn't take that much time. The box is

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 23/02/2015 14:27, Julien Puydt a écrit : Hi, Le 23/02/2015 12:13, Volker Braun a écrit : In spkg-install you need to add a suitable branch in configure_base(): Yes, but my question was : how do I know how to write that branch? I didn't manage to get "from configuration import conf" to wo

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Julien Puydt
Hi, Le 23/02/2015 12:13, Volker Braun a écrit : In spkg-install you need to add a suitable branch in configure_base(): Yes, but my question was : how do I know how to write that branch? I didn't manage to get "from configuration import conf" to work, so I couldn't look at 'conf' to know what

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 6.5, pyzmq, Fedora GCC

2015-02-23 Thread Jori Mantysalo
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015, Volker Braun wrote: post the log  Duh. There was no c++ compiler installed. It seems that configure continues after not founding g++; contrary to this, if ar is not found, configure stops (and last error message is meaningful). I am now compiling without parallel comp

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage-6.5 Source Fails to Compile

2015-02-23 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
Nobody should use -Werror on production compiles. I consider this an upstream bug. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegr

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 6.5, pyzmq, Fedora GCC

2015-02-23 Thread Volker Braun
On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 10:36:40 AM UTC+1, Jori Mantysalo wrote: > > Did you test on Fedora 21 server on Fedora 21 normal version? At server > version, and after installing m4, binutils, perl, gcc and gfortran I got > error about cpp sanity check failing. > post the log -- You receive

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Volker Braun
In spkg-install you need to add a suitable branch in configure_base(): On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 11:36:42 AM UTC+1, Snark wrote: > > Hi, > > Le 21/02/2015 17:25, Volker Braun a écrit : > > The atlas build script just aborts with SAGE_ATLAS_ARCH=base, nothing > else > > to see here. > >

Re: [sage-devel] [debian] Strange numerical errors in sage's libpari code

2015-02-23 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2015-02-23 11:05, John Cremona wrote: It is rather hard to write all such doctests to be invariant under such things, especially as doctests also serve as examples for the reference manual, so you really do want such an example which computes fundamental units *and displays them* as a user wou

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Julien Puydt
Hi, Le 21/02/2015 17:25, Volker Braun a écrit : The atlas build script just aborts with SAGE_ATLAS_ARCH=base, nothing else to see here. I compiled sage-6.5 with my usual setup, then tried: export SAGE_FAT_BINARY=yes ./sage -f atlas and the compilation with : Traceback (most recent call last):

Re: [sage-devel] matrix_template.pyx

2015-02-23 Thread Vincent Delecroix
2015-02-23 10:46 UTC+01:00, Clemens Heuberger : > > > On 2015-02-23 10:59, Vincent Delecroix wrote: >> I would look at matrix_integer_dense.pyx which wraps fmpz_mat from >> flint (which looks even better after #17822 (needs review)). > > thanks for the hint. > >> Are there also arb's polynomial? >

Re: [sage-devel] [debian] Strange numerical errors in sage's libpari code

2015-02-23 Thread John Cremona
On 23 February 2015 at 09:23, Julien Puydt wrote: > Hi, > > Le 18/02/2015 13:53, Julien Puydt a écrit : >> >> I'm having strange numerical behaviour with my experimental sage using >> debian packages, with two failing doctests in the src/sage/libs/pari/ >> directory (both in gen.pyx) : >> >> Faile

[sage-devel] missing changelog

2015-02-23 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
There is currently a 404 for http://sagemath.org/mirror/src/changelogs/sage-6.5.txt which is linked from http://sagemath.org/ Ralf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, s

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] sage 6.5

2015-02-23 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 5:25:07 PM UTC+1, Volker Braun wrote: > > The atlas build script just aborts with SAGE_ATLAS_ARCH=base, nothing else > to see here. > > Pointing to a specific location for the atlas library isn't going to be > much use in a binary that we distribute. > > > > On

Re: [sage-devel] matrix_template.pyx

2015-02-23 Thread Clemens Heuberger
On 2015-02-23 10:59, Vincent Delecroix wrote: > I would look at matrix_integer_dense.pyx which wraps fmpz_mat from > flint (which looks even better after #17822 (needs review)). thanks for the hint. > Are there also arb's polynomial? Yes, arb provides polynomials http://fredrikj.net/arb/arb_p

Re: [sage-devel] Re: matrix_template.pyx

2015-02-23 Thread Clemens Heuberger
On 2015-02-23 11:25, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > On 2015-02-23, Clemens Heuberger wrote: >> http://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/matrices/sage/matrix/docs.html#implementation-and-design >> >> mentions >> >> "See the files matrix_template.pxd and matrix_template.pyx." >> >> However, I could not find t

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 6.5, pyzmq, Fedora GCC

2015-02-23 Thread Jori Mantysalo
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Volker Braun wrote: You need to build the zeromq library before building the python binding for it: sage -f zeromq && sage -f pyzmq Definitely works on Fedora 21 I don't quite understand. I was building whole Sage, not just one package. Did you test on Fedora 21 server

[sage-devel] Re: matrix_template.pyx

2015-02-23 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2015-02-23, Clemens Heuberger wrote: > http://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/matrices/sage/matrix/docs.html#implementation-and-design > > mentions > > "See the files matrix_template.pxd and matrix_template.pyx." > > However, I could not find these files. Could you open a trac ticket on this? Th

Re: [sage-devel] [debian] Strange numerical errors in sage's libpari code

2015-02-23 Thread Julien Puydt
Hi, Le 18/02/2015 13:53, Julien Puydt a écrit : I'm having strange numerical behaviour with my experimental sage using debian packages, with two failing doctests in the src/sage/libs/pari/ directory (both in gen.pyx) : Failed example: (s*z)^5 Expected: 2.00 - 1.08420217248

Re: [sage-devel] matrix_template.pyx

2015-02-23 Thread Vincent Delecroix
I would look at matrix_integer_dense.pyx which wraps fmpz_mat from flint (which looks even better after #17822 (needs review)). Are there also arb's polynomial? Vincent 2015-02-23 9:56 UTC+01:00, Clemens Heuberger : > http://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/matrices/sage/matrix/docs.html#implement

[sage-devel] matrix_template.pyx

2015-02-23 Thread Clemens Heuberger
http://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/matrices/sage/matrix/docs.html#implementation-and-design mentions "See the files matrix_template.pxd and matrix_template.pyx." However, I could not find these files. If they do not exist: is there a recommended example to follow when I implement bindings fo

[sage-devel] Re: coercion of objects embedded in symbolic expressions

2015-02-23 Thread Ralf Stephan
On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 1:03:54 PM UTC+1, Burcin Erocal wrote: > > Pynac already calls the Python comparison function if both are > pyobjects. In this case, infinity and constants are not pyobjects. They > are a basic class as in mul, add, symbol, etc. > The code need not be fast so my s

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Addition of zero in the coercion model

2015-02-23 Thread Eric Gourgoulhon
Hi, Le dimanche 22 février 2015 21:25:02 UTC+1, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit : > > > On the other, this special case is consistent with the idea of the > "univeral 0 object" proposed by John Cremona. > Indeed. In this respect, it is probably safe to use the literal 0 provided one makes sure that it