[sage-devel] Re: Mathematics without apologies - Portrait of a Problematical Vocation

2015-11-25 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Let me summarize an exchange of messages I just had with Richard. He is upset by the fact that tax dollars (NSF grants) go to people who have pleasure working. Is he unable to comprehend how this is at all possible? I wonder whether throughout his career he ever had any pleasure working... I jus

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Mathematics without apologies - Portrait of a Problematical Vocation

2015-11-25 Thread François Bissey
On 11/26/15 17:17, Ralf Stephan wrote: On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:18:51 PM UTC+1, rjf wrote: courses that serve to crush the dreams of superfluous applicants to particularly desirable professions (as freshman calculus used to be a formal requirement to enter medical school in the Unite

[sage-devel] Re: Mathematics without apologies - Portrait of a Problematical Vocation

2015-11-25 Thread Ralf Stephan
On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:18:51 PM UTC+1, rjf wrote: > courses > that serve to crush the dreams of superfluous applicants to  > particularly desirable professions (as freshman calculus used to be a > formal requirement to enter medical school in the United States)" > > Maybe he knows so

Re: [sage-devel] Sage bdist changes (OSX El Capitan) Jupiter Notebook doesn't work

2015-11-25 Thread Bruce
Volker, I agree -- many thanks for making real progress. Unfortunately, the Jupyter notebook does not work.I tried to fix the openssl problem with ./sage -i pyopenssl but that ended with make: *** [all-toolchain] Error 1 Thanks for looking into this. -Bruce --- bash-3.2$ .

[sage-devel] Re: install_package('whatever')

2015-11-25 Thread Volker Braun
On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 8:50:15 PM UTC+1, Nils Bruin wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 2:23:27 AM UTC-8, Volker Braun wrote: >> >> LD_LIBRARY_PATH strikes again... >> > What can we do about it, though? > Simple: Do not use it. Use rpaths for libraries that you can't / don't

[sage-devel] Re: install_package('whatever')

2015-11-25 Thread Nils Bruin
On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 2:23:27 AM UTC-8, Volker Braun wrote: > > LD_LIBRARY_PATH strikes again... > What can we do about it, though? I think the relevant module is "webbrowser". It has rather complicated logic and is therefore rather hard to convince to run a command through "sage-na

[sage-devel] Mathematics without apologies - Portrait of a Problematical Vocation

2015-11-25 Thread rjf
This is a new book by Michael Harris. I have not read it, but there is an extensive review in the NY Review of Books. (Dec 3, 2015) Apparently Harris *rejects* the argument that justifies pure mathematics because of its beauty or truth (or its utility). He says it is motivated by pleasure. W

[sage-devel] Re: Sage bdist changes (OSX El Capitan)

2015-11-25 Thread Volker Braun
On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 3:40:12 PM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > By the way, surprisingly (to me at least) it was even possible to do 'make > test', and have all, save for couple of timeouts, pass. > Just like building from source works. The script isn't careful with timestamps and

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 6.9 Compile from source error - Redhat 5.11

2015-11-25 Thread Volker Braun
On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 5:55:26 PM UTC+1, mhfrey wrote: > Redhat 5.11 Ah, adventures in retro computing. You need python >= 2.6 (released in 2008) Just install a halfway recent python somewhere, put it in your PATH, and try again. -- You received this message because you are su

[sage-devel] Sage 6.9 Compile from source error - Redhat 5.11

2015-11-25 Thread mhfrey
I am trying to compile Sage 6.9 from source on Redhat 5.11. The configure completes, but the make crashes, see below. Hopefully this is an easy fix. Thank you for your help Mike *** make[1]: Entering directory `/home/nmr/software/sage/sage-6.9/build

Re: [sage-devel] install_package('whatever')

2015-11-25 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Wednesday, 25 November 2015 12:48:02 UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > Yes, installing Sage packages within a Sage shell (let alone within a > > running Sage session) is not supported. It may or may not work. Since we > > cannot guarantee that it can work, we simply disallow it. > > Okayy

[sage-devel] Re: Sage bdist changes (OSX El Capitan)

2015-11-25 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Tuesday, 24 November 2015 17:16:29 UTC, Volker Braun wrote: > > I'm pretty sure its IO bound, so parallelization won't help. You have to > run it only once anyways... > well, I see (running top) Python process taking somewhere between 70 and 95% of one CPU almost all the time while I run th

[sage-devel] Re: Sage bdist changes (OSX El Capitan)

2015-11-25 Thread Nathan Dunfield
> > The binary I posted should work on any OSX 10.11 machine. Possibly even on > older OSX versions, though I don't have any way to test. > I tested this binary on 10.8 (Mavicks) and 10.9 (Yosemite) and it worked fine on both! Nathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed t

Re: [sage-devel] Re: install_package('whatever')

2015-11-25 Thread Jori Mäntysalo
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: Code that needs some package should raise an error if the package is not installed. And the interface should catch it and give consistent and friendly error message. Either "Do this" or "Ask you system administrator". Do you have an example where t

Re: [sage-devel] install_package('whatever')

2015-11-25 Thread Nathann Cohen
> Yes, installing Sage packages within a Sage shell (let alone within a > running Sage session) is not supported. It may or may not work. Since we > cannot guarantee that it can work, we simply disallow it. Okayyy, thanks. Too bad, that would have been helpful for guys who don't know what a co

Re: [sage-devel] install_package('whatever')

2015-11-25 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2015-11-24 19:22, Nathann Cohen wrote: Is there a technical reason why "install_package" cannot work anymore? Yes, installing Sage packages within a Sage shell (let alone within a running Sage session) is not supported. It may or may not work. Since we cannot guarantee that it can work, we

Re: [sage-devel] Re: install_package('whatever')

2015-11-25 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2015-11-25 06:22, Jori Mäntysalo wrote: Code that needs some package should raise an error if the package is not installed. And the interface should catch it and give consistent and friendly error message. Either "Do this" or "Ask you system administrator". Do you have an example where this i

[sage-devel] Re: install_package('whatever')

2015-11-25 Thread Volker Braun
LD_LIBRARY_PATH strikes again... On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 4:47:59 AM UTC+1, Nils Bruin wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 4:49:53 PM UTC-8, Nils Bruin wrote: >> >> On another computer I got something different (and that's an up-to-date >> fedora 22!): >> >> XPCOMGlueLoad error