Re: [sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, leif wrote: For me, it /does/ make a difference (using Python vs. Sage literals): sage: if 2*s > n*log(n, 2): print "True" sage: if 2r*s > n*log(n, 2r): print "True" True OK, I don't know what I did wrong in my test. Now I got the same result. Thanks! * * * But

Re: [sage-devel] Re: List moderation: devel vs. support

For the record sage-support does have moderation, though I've never seen anything other than appropriate stuff or obvious spam there. The problem, if any, is that support requests end up on the wrong list. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Wiki

I am in favor of keeping the wiki on wiki.sagemath.org. My two-cents is that we should either completely switch Sage's development to github (including the developers' wiki, etc.) or stay on foo.sagemath.org for various values of foo. It would be kind of (or super) weird to only have the wiki

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Wiki

>> What do the Sage developers even want to use the wiki for? Apart from >> SageDays organisation. > > - listing sage days > - there's a nice list of interact examples: https://wiki.sagemath.org/interact > > Look at https://wiki.sagemath.org/RecentChanges to see what people > *do* use the wiki

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Wiki

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Johan S. H. Rosenkilde wrote: >> Would you have any interest in moving the wiki >> to https://github.com/sagemath/sage/wiki ? > > What would be the advantage of doing so? - We don't have to worry about hosting it ourselves. - It's hosted on

Re: [sage-devel] missing emails from trac

This might be related to DKIM, some kind of misconfiguration delaying things: For each mail sent out I see in /var/log/mail.log a message like trac postfix/smtpd[12253]: warning: connect to Milter service inet:localhost:8891: Connection refused Harald, do you have an idea what this might

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Wiki

> Would you have any interest in moving the wiki > to https://github.com/sagemath/sage/wiki ? What would be the advantage of doing so? What do the Sage developers even want to use the wiki for? Apart from SageDays organisation. At SageDays75, we just created (or rewrote)

Re: [sage-devel] missing emails from trac

I get them, but with a significant lag time. Best, Travis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: List moderation: devel vs. support

On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 11:13:45 AM UTC-5, Erik Bray wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Dima Pasechnik > wrote: > > I think both of them should be moderated, as we are seeing now... > > Yes. Developers are people too. > > What? I thought we were all AI's

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Multiple versions of SageMath's documentation online

Hi, I just checked and searching for sage help online in Google now frequently returns results at doc.sagemath.org. Yeah! William On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 09:10:55AM -0700, Samuel Lelievre wrote: >>I guess

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Multiple versions of SageMath's documentation online

Hi, I just checked and searching for sage help online in Google now frequently returns results at doc.sagemath.org. Yeah! William On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 09:10:55AM -0700, Samuel Lelievre wrote: >>I guess

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage Wiki

Would you have any interest in moving the wiki to https://github.com/sagemath/sage/wiki ? On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-7, Johan S. R. Nielsen wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I just edited the front page of http://wiki.sagemath.com so that it > appears less embarrassingly out of

Re: [sage-devel] missing emails from trac

On 2016-08-26 17:22, Sébastien Labbé wrote: > I am not receiving emails notification from new posted comments on trac > tickets I'm involved in. Or maybe there is a delay to receive them? I've gotten a couple of them today, so I cannot confirm this. However, I was always creator of the tickets...

[sage-devel] Re: missing emails from trac

Sébastien Labbé wrote: > Bonjour sage-devel, > > I am not receiving emails notification from new posted comments on trac > tickets I'm involved in. Or maybe there is a delay to receive them? FWIW, I occasionally get them out-of-order (even for the same ticket). It happened once (I noticed) I

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-support] Re: (William Stein) "my top priority right now is to **make a lot of money**"

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Nathann Cohen wrote: >> Nathan does give the link to the original post, but he is quoting out of >> context. Here is the full post: > > > Still, it would be incomplete to claim, as in the original post, that the > only aim of SageMath Inc.

Re: [sage-devel] The Sage Wiki

Thierry Dumont writes: > Certainly, it is http://wiki.sagemath.org Haha, yes of course it is :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [sage-devel] increasing verbose level for sub-routines

On 2016-08-09 19:31, William Stein wrote: > The only good way is to rip out the "verbose" thing and replace it > with the Python logging module. Then its easy to have different > loggers for your code and for the flint interface, and make them log > in different levels and/or

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Declaring a parent in a category as a finite enumerated set

> > Output of join categories definitely could use some love. :-) > A first improvement could be to use: > > Category of X an enumerated sets. > Alternatively: Category of enumerable X > should be trivial to implement. Good news. But I have to study more of the internals of

Re: [sage-devel] The Sage Wiki

Le 26/08/2016 à 18:11, Johan S. H. Rosenkilde a écrit : > Hi everyone, > > I just edited the front page of http://wiki.sagemath.com so that it > appears less embarrassingly out of date. I restructured it so that it is > more clear that it is a place for certain developer organization (mostly >

[sage-devel] The Sage Wiki

Hi everyone, I just edited the front page of http://wiki.sagemath.com so that it appears less embarrassingly out of date. I restructured it so that it is more clear that it is a place for certain developer organization (mostly SageDays), so that it now less pretends to be a very lively place with

Re: [sage-devel] Re: List moderation: devel vs. support

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > I think both of them should be moderated, as we are seeing now... Yes. Developers are people too. > On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 1:09:24 PM UTC+1, Jori Mäntysalo wrote: >> >> I just learnt that this devel-list is

[sage-devel] Re: Upgrade to Singular 4.x

Having been following that ticket, I just want to say thank you all involved with getting this to needs review. Best, Travis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

[sage-devel] missing emails from trac

Bonjour sage-devel, I am not receiving emails notification from new posted comments on trac tickets I'm involved in. Or maybe there is a delay to receive them? Sébastien -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: [sage-devel] Re: broken %attach and %debug ?

> > You mean submitting a patch upstream? > Yes. I had not realized we behave differently with respect to Cython. > Would > it not be enough to pass whatever an hypothetical upstream version of > attach > produces through the preparser we use in the interactive shell? > > What about

[sage-devel] Re: Upgrade to Singular 4.x

> P.S.: my test build in debug mode just failed, although everything works > fine in normal mode, surely just some linking flags missing. > Or yes now it does. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[sage-devel] Upgrade to Singular 4.x

Dear all, Finally the upgrade from Singular 3.x to 4.x is up for review at: * https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/17254 Best, JPF P.S.: my test build in debug mode just failed, although everything works fine in normal mode, surely just some linking flags missing. -- You received this message

Re: [sage-devel] Re: broken %attach and %debug ?

> You mean submitting a patch upstream? Yes. I had not realized we behave differently with respect to Cython. Would it not be enough to pass whatever an hypothetical upstream version of attach produces through the preparser we use in the interactive shell? S. * leif

[sage-devel] Re: broken %attach and %debug ?

VulK wrote: >>and me too, this is really very annoying that %attach is broken.. > +1 > > A related question: why do we implement %attach in sage rather than making a > patch for upstream IPython? You mean submitting a patch upstream? (Otherwise repackagers won't be happy, but upstream would

[sage-devel] Re: List moderation: devel vs. support

I think both of them should be moderated, as we are seeing now... On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 1:09:24 PM UTC+1, Jori Mäntysalo wrote: > > I just learnt that this devel-list is moderated, whereas support-list is > not. I think that it should be just the opposite. > > -- > Jori Mäntysalo >

[sage-devel] Re: dependency on packages typed 'pip'

Thierry wrote: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 02:43:05PM +0200, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> On 2016-08-26 14:40, Thierry wrote: >>> So, what is the usecase for package typed 'pip' ? >> >> It's only a convenient user interface: the user does not need to know >> whether a package is available using pip or

[sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

leif wrote: > Jori Mäntysalo wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, leif wrote: >> >>> Hmmm, does Posets.BooleanLattice() care whether you pass an int or an >>> Integer? (I.e., does the return type of its methods change?) >> >> No: >> >> sage: P = Posets.BooleanLattice(3) >> sage: Q =

[sage-devel] Re: List moderation: devel vs. support

I disagree with your statement, and I agree with the recent moderation. There were too many useless flame wars in this group. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

Re: [sage-devel] Re: broken %attach and %debug ?

>and me too, this is really very annoying that %attach is broken.. +1 A related question: why do we implement %attach in sage rather than making a patch for upstream IPython? S. * Frédéric Chapoton [2016-08-26 06:01:23]: >and me too, this is really very

Re: [sage-devel] broken %attach and %debug ?

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 05:22:51AM -0700, Frédéric Chapoton wrote: > is this only me, or the recent update to ipython 5.0 has broken severel > things in 7.4.b0 ? It seems it was not tested with urxvt: the tab-completion is much less handy, and the terminal colors are not well handled (lot of

[sage-devel] Re: broken %attach and %debug ?

and me too, this is really *very annoying* that %attach is broken.. Le dimanche 14 août 2016 02:14:44 UTC+2, Travis Scrimshaw a écrit : > > I would really like to have %attach back working. > > Best, > Travis > > > On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 12:50:23 PM UTC-5, Volker Braun wrote: >> >>

Re: [sage-devel] dependency on packages typed 'pip'

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 02:43:05PM +0200, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2016-08-26 14:40, Thierry wrote: > >So, what is the usecase for package typed 'pip' ? > > It's only a convenient user interface: the user does not need to know > whether a package is available using pip or as Sage package:

Re: [sage-devel] dependency on packages typed 'pip'

On 2016-08-26 14:40, Thierry wrote: So, what is the usecase for package typed 'pip' ? It's only a convenient user interface: the user does not need to know whether a package is available using pip or as Sage package: "./sage -i PKGNAME" will work. -- You received this message because you

Re: [sage-devel] dependency on packages typed 'pip'

So, what is the usecase for package typed 'pip' ? If they can only be installed manually (i.e. not as dependency), they could be installed with 'sage -pip install' anyway without having to create such fake package first. Ciao, Thierry On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 02:28:03PM +0200, Jeroen Demeyer

Re: [sage-devel] dependency on packages typed 'pip'

pip packages are not real packages. If you really want to depend on a "pip" package, the best way would be to convert it to a real package. Also: * standard packages should only depend on standard packages. * optional packages should only depend on standard or optional packages. *

[sage-devel] dependency on packages typed 'pip'

Hi, while packaging a package p1, i have set a dependency to another package p2 whose type is 'pip'. However, when i try to install the package p1, the dependency p2 is not installed (and apparently it is not even considered). If i do 'sage -i p2', it is correctly installed. Is it a feature ?

[sage-devel] List moderation: devel vs. support

I just learnt that this devel-list is moderated, whereas support-list is not. I think that it should be just the opposite. -- Jori Mäntysalo

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-support] Re: (William Stein) "my top priority right now is to **make a lot of money**"

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, Nathann Cohen wrote: Consequently, by making "a lot of money" through SageMath Inc. it is clear that William also aims at making money for himself (food, rent, whatever). Missing that, his presentation was certainly not exhaustive. I still don't understand what is the

[sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

Jori Mäntysalo wrote: > On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, leif wrote: > >> Hmmm, does Posets.BooleanLattice() care whether you pass an int or an >> Integer? (I.e., does the return type of its methods change?) > > No: > > sage: P = Posets.BooleanLattice(3) > sage: Q = Posets.BooleanLattice(3r) > sage: P ==

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, leif wrote: Hmmm, does Posets.BooleanLattice() care whether you pass an int or an Integer? (I.e., does the return type of its methods change?) No: sage: P = Posets.BooleanLattice(3) sage: Q = Posets.BooleanLattice(3r) sage: P == Q True sage: P is Q True -- Jori

[sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

Jori Mäntysalo wrote: > On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, leif wrote: > >> Apparently log() behaves differently depending on whether it is called >> with Sage Integers or Python ints. (Not sure whether the other integer >> literal also matters here.) >> >> (You should get the same in the Sage session when

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, leif wrote: Apparently log() behaves differently depending on whether it is called with Sage Integers or Python ints. (Not sure whether the other integer literal also matters here.) (You should get the same in the Sage session when using 2r instead of 2, or Integer(2)

[sage-devel] Re: Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

Jori Mäntysalo wrote: > sage: def foo(): > .: from sage.combinat.posets.poset_examples import Posets > .: from sage.misc.functional import log > .: P = Posets.BooleanLattice(3); n = P.cardinality(); s = > P._hasse_diagram.size() > .: if 2*s > n*log(n, 2): print

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Declaring a parent in a category as a finite enumerated set

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:38:35PM -0700, Kwankyu Lee wrote: >Right. Perhaps I was just thinking of "cosmetics". Lots of parents in >Sage should be finite enumerated sets. If their category is a join of >some category X and the category of finite enumerated sets, then it is >

[sage-devel] Comparison and logarithm on .py vs. interactive

sage: def foo(): : from sage.combinat.posets.poset_examples import Posets : from sage.misc.functional import log : P = Posets.BooleanLattice(3); n = P.cardinality(); s = P._hasse_diagram.size() : if 2*s > n*log(n, 2): print "True" : sage: foo() sage: So, in