Le 08/11/2011 17:04, Michael Orlitzky a écrit :
In any case, the "do them both" approach is fine until one is so
obviously superior that the other side can be convinced.
Just to make my position clear again ; I'm for the "do them both"
approach. And I don't call for breaking anything at once,
Have to put my vote in for the virtual image. Except for R graphics (which
I have issues with on Linux :P), it does everything I want to do. Volker
Braun does awesome work.
Joal Heagney
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On 10 Nov., 13:33, Maarten Derickx
wrote:
> I like your ideas about guest distributions Georg.
>
Thanks!
> The missing thing you describe: "a way to tell the host distrubution on
> what packages we depend" is not really the missing thing. I think a way to
> make sage configurable to use other
> I also use sage-on-gentoo. I find it a very good way to just use sage.
>
> But i don't only use sage, i also develop it: when there is a feature
> i miss, i implement it (if i have the knowledge and time to do so).
> The easyest way to do so is to have sage installed in a directory in
> the "sta
On 11/10/2011 11:17 AM, William Stein wrote:
>
> For many of us, "doing development on Sage" surprisingly often means
> modifying more than just the core Sage library. It might mean
> tweaking the Cython compiler, changing something in the core of PARI
> and seeing what happens, modifying Pynac i
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 11/10/2011 10:01 AM, mmarco wrote:
>> I also use sage-on-gentoo. I find it a very good way to just use sage.
>>
>> But i don't only use sage, i also develop it: when there is a feature
>> i miss, i implement it (if i have the knowledge
On 11/10/2011 10:01 AM, mmarco wrote:
> I also use sage-on-gentoo. I find it a very good way to just use sage.
>
> But i don't only use sage, i also develop it: when there is a feature
> i miss, i implement it (if i have the knowledge and time to do so).
> The easyest way to do so is to have sage
I also use sage-on-gentoo. I find it a very good way to just use sage.
But i don't only use sage, i also develop it: when there is a feature
i miss, i implement it (if i have the knowledge and time to do so).
The easyest way to do so is to have sage installed in a directory in
the "standard" way.
I like your ideas about guest distributions Georg.
The missing thing you describe: "a way to tell the host distrubution on
what packages we depend" is not really the missing thing. I think a way to
make sage configurable to use other external program's instead of spkgs is
really the missing th
On 9 Nov., 00:12, Maarten Derickx wrote:
> It seems like there are two groups of people here with different interests.
>
> One is the group whose main goal (at least as related to this discussion,
> since the main goal of sage is different) to make sage easily available on
> as much platforms as
It seems like there are two groups of people here with different interests.
One is the group whose main goal (at least as related to this discussion,
since the main goal of sage is different) to make sage easily available on
as much platforms as possible. And (a short version of) their argument
> On 11/08/11 15:41, Francois Bissey wrote:
> > And by the way thanks for using sage-on-gentoo, we get tired but a pat
> > on the back helps a lot.
>
> Sure! You guys do a great job. I use Sage on three Gentoo machines and
> you've saved me countless hours over the years. I started paying
> attent
On 11/08/11 15:41, Francois Bissey wrote:
>
> And by the way thanks for using sage-on-gentoo, we get tired but a pat
> on the back helps a lot.
Sure! You guys do a great job. I use Sage on three Gentoo machines and
you've saved me countless hours over the years. I started paying
attention to bug
> On 11/08/11 13:37, William Stein wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Michael Orlitzky
wrote:
> >> (I use Sage on Gentoo)
> >>
> >> For maintainers, the argument is that a package manager should handle
> >> dependencies for you. It's easier to write the dependencies down in a
> >> text f
On 11/08/11 13:37, William Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>> (I use Sage on Gentoo)
>>
>> For maintainers, the argument is that a package manager should handle
>> dependencies for you. It's easier to write the dependencies down in a
>> text file than it is t
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> (I use Sage on Gentoo)
>
> For maintainers, the argument is that a package manager should handle
> dependencies for you. It's easier to write the dependencies down in a
> text file than it is to maintain and ship them all with every release
On 11/08/11 03:31, William Stein wrote:
>
> Many of us are absolutely 100% opposed to getting rid of what we
> currently have.
>
> However, I see no reason that you can't *also* make a version of Sage
> that has the properties you want. The Gentoo people do that, the
> Mandriva people do that,
Just want to add +1 to Jonathan and William's comments. The fewer
steps to becoming a developer, the better. (Esp. on Mac and someday
Windows, where people are not used to things that don't auto-install
dependencies.)
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Le 08/11/2011 09:31, William Stein a écrit :
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Julien Puydt wrote:
Sage developers shouldn't care. If you start down that road, you'll soon end
up putting in your own libc, your own libc++, your own editor, your own
C/C++/whatever compiler, etc.
I disagree with
On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Jonathan Bober wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Julien Puydt wrote:
>
> You'll find here http://clefagreg.dnsalias.org/ a distribution aimed at
> them. And in fact, several distributions, to be installed on a usb key and
> booted, precisely because the stu
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Julien Puydt wrote:
>
> You'll find here http://clefagreg.dnsalias.org/ a distribution aimed at
> them. And in fact, several distributions, to be installed on a usb key and
> booted, precisely because the students may not have administrative rights
> on the machine
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Julien Puydt wrote:
> Le 08/11/2011 07:37, Jonathan Bober a écrit :
>> I don't know enough about software packaging to know if sage is
>> _really_that different, but it is quite complicated and large, and it
>> may take a big coordinated effort to get sage into eve
Le 08/11/2011 07:37, Jonathan Bober a écrit :
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Julien Puydt mailto:julien.pu...@laposte.net>> wrote:
Le 05/11/2011 21:24, Justin C. Walker a écrit :
There are so many different versions of each library and system
(for Linux, in particular)
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Julien Puydt wrote:
> Le 05/11/2011 21:24, Justin C. Walker a écrit :
>
> There are so many different versions of each library and system (for
>> Linux, in particular)
>> that it's a practical impossibility to produce a package like Sage that
>> will work on the sy
> I follow the discussion about the windows port and Cygwin now over 1
> and a half year and what I read tells me that it gives most people
> working on it headaches and dissatisfaction. It seems by all means not
> *easy* and even a successful completion is in question. I have the
Probably right.
Le 05/11/2011 21:24, Justin C. Walker a écrit :
There are so many different versions of each library and system (for Linux, in
particular)
that it's a practical impossibility to produce a package like Sage that will
work on the systems currently supported.
I would like to point out that quite
On Nov 4, 2:45 pm, kcrisman wrote:
> On Nov 4, 3:19 am, Julien Puydt wrote:
>
> > Le 04/11/2011 02:29, kcrisman a crit :
>
> > > On the other hand, it's also clear that without significantly more
> > > help on the Cygwin port, it's not going to be there for a while. I
> > > just messed with it
> On Nov 5, 2011, at 18:02 , Burcin Erocal wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:23:38 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> > leif wrote:
> >> On 5 Nov., 21:24, "Justin C. Walker" wrote:
> >>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:16 , Julien Puydt wrote:
> Le 05/11/2011 17:42, William Stein a écrit :
> > What do you base thi
On Nov 5, 2011, at 18:02 , Burcin Erocal wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:23:38 -0700 (PDT)
> leif wrote:
>
>> On 5 Nov., 21:24, "Justin C. Walker" wrote:
>>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:16 , Julien Puydt wrote:
>>>
Le 05/11/2011 17:42, William Stein a écrit :
> What do you base this "probab
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:23:38 -0700 (PDT)
leif wrote:
> On 5 Nov., 21:24, "Justin C. Walker" wrote:
> > On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:16 , Julien Puydt wrote:
> >
> > > Le 05/11/2011 17:42, William Stein a écrit :
> > >> What do you base this "probably" on? Having started and watched
> > >> Sage "evolve"
On 5 Nov., 21:24, "Justin C. Walker" wrote:
> On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:16 , Julien Puydt wrote:
>
> > Le 05/11/2011 17:42, William Stein a écrit :
> >> What do you base this "probably" on? Having started and watched Sage
> >> "evolve" of over 6 years, if anything it is not evolving in the
> >> direc
On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:16 , Julien Puydt wrote:
> Le 05/11/2011 17:42, William Stein a écrit :
>> What do you base this "probably" on? Having started and watched Sage
>> "evolve" of over 6 years, if anything it is not evolving in the
>> direction you suggest.
>
> Fair point. But that can't last.
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Julien Puydt wrote:
> Le 05/11/2011 17:42, William Stein a écrit :
>>
>> What do you base this "probably" on? Having started and watched Sage
>> "evolve" of over 6 years, if anything it is not evolving in the
>> direction you suggest.
>
> Fair point. But that can'
Le 05/11/2011 17:42, William Stein a écrit :
What do you base this "probably" on? Having started and watched Sage
"evolve" of over 6 years, if anything it is not evolving in the
direction you suggest.
Fair point. But that can't last.
All the libs and programs on my system weight 9G, with many
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Julien Puydt wrote:
> Le 05/11/2011 14:31, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
>>
>> On 2011-11-04 08:19, Julien Puydt wrote:
>>>
>>> but rather a more deliberately fragile one :
>>> - check very-specific-arch1, and set magic options if so ;
>>> ...
>>> - check very-specific-a
Le 05/11/2011 14:31, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2011-11-04 08:19, Julien Puydt wrote:
but rather a more deliberately fragile one :
- check very-specific-arch1, and set magic options if so ;
...
- check very-specific-archN, and set magic options if so ;
- if we aren't on a known arch, or a fly f
On 2011-11-04 08:19, Julien Puydt wrote:
> but rather a more deliberately fragile one :
> - check very-specific-arch1, and set magic options if so ;
> ...
> - check very-specific-archN, and set magic options if so ;
> - if we aren't on a known arch, or a fly farted too near a known one :
> FAIL.
Th
>
> So to summarize what's above :
> 1) I can help with a win32 port, but by cross-compiling, as I know it's
> efficient ;
> 2) in fact, helping with a win32 port would be a natural follow-up to my
> current work on the ARM port ;
> 3) but that won't be an easy ride (especially if I'm all alone as
On Friday, November 4, 2011, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
> On 2011-11-03 22:24, William Stein wrote:
>> Let's do Sage-5.0 !
>
> Were you suggesting "let's do sage-5.0" now, i.e. the release after
> sage-4.7.2? I agree that Python-2.7 and the new Notebook would justify
> sage-5.0, but neither of these s
On 11/4/11 9:05 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
On 2011-11-03 22:24, William Stein wrote:
Let's do Sage-5.0 !
Were you suggesting "let's do sage-5.0" now, i.e. the release after
sage-4.7.2? I agree that Python-2.7 and the new Notebook would justify
sage-5.0, but neither of these sound like they are
On Nov 4, 3:19 am, Julien Puydt wrote:
> Le 04/11/2011 02:29, kcrisman a crit :
>
> > On the other hand, it's also clear that without significantly more
> > help on the Cygwin port, it's not going to be there for a while. I
> > just messed with it today, and decided to uninstall my Cygwin inste
Le 04/11/2011 02:29, kcrisman a écrit :
On the other hand, it's also clear that without significantly more
help on the Cygwin port, it's not going to be there for a while. I
just messed with it today, and decided to uninstall my Cygwin instead
because of some weird sed problem Leif and I were tr
> I've been thinking about what "sage-5.0" should be, beyond what is
> already slated to be in sage-4.8. I propose the following goals:
>
> * Finish OS X 10.7 port:http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/11881
> (I've been working
> on this lately...)
>
> * Get the new more scalable n
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