[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-28 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Franco Saliola sali...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:07 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: William Stein wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM, kcrisman

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-28 Thread Franco Saliola
Franco -- On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:22 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Franco Saliola sali...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:07 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Jason Grout

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-27 Thread kcrisman
Just as a postscript, I was really glad to have the autosave a few minute ago, where I nearly deleted an entire lecture's worth of notes and computations which I hadn't saved, by accidentally brushing against a browser shortcut to a favorites page on the wrong window. (This could happen with

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-27 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Just as a postscript, I was really glad to have the autosave a few minute ago, where I nearly deleted an entire lecture's worth of notes and computations which I hadn't saved, by accidentally brushing against a browser

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-27 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Just as a postscript, I was really glad to have the autosave a few minute ago, where I nearly deleted an entire lecture's worth of notes and computations which I hadn't saved, by accidentally brushing

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-27 Thread kcrisman
You could have just pressed reload and you would have had your worksheet back entirely.   It was still sitting there on the server in RAM.   Never use the back button with the sage notebook, unless you immediately press refresh. william ok, that seems reasonable! But of course accidents

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-27 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: William Stein wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Just as a postscript, I was really glad to have the autosave a few minute ago, where I nearly deleted an entire lecture's

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-25 Thread Rob Beezer
I have made a patch that attempts to limit the number of snapshots that get saved (per worksheet) to an absolute maximum of 30. There's a bit of a dilemma about just how to do this, given that at present some users will have more than 30 snapshots for some worksheets, and in the future this

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-24 Thread Stan Schymanski
+1 for a 'smart' auto backup system. I don't know whether it was the snapshot saving or what did it, but I never bothered saving notebooks while working with them and never lost any data after crashes. It is such a great peace of mind not to have to remember to save your work regularly and

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-24 Thread kcrisman
I like the way the proposed patch wipes the slate fairly clean.  But I sort of hope it is temporary and at some point a rational autosave strategy of some sort is implemented.    There was an attempt to not The only issue is that there is no guarantee that the autosave, in some rational

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-24 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:51 AM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: I like the way the proposed patch wipes the slate fairly clean.  But I sort of hope it is temporary and at some point a rational autosave strategy of some sort is implemented.    There was an attempt to not The only

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-24 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Stan Schymanski schym...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for a 'smart' auto backup system. I don't know whether it was the snapshot saving or what did it, but I never bothered saving notebooks while working with them and never lost any data after crashes. When a

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-24 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:51 AM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: I like the way the proposed patch wipes the slate fairly clean.  But I sort of hope it is temporary and at some point a rational autosave strategy of some sort is implemented.    There was an attempt to not The only

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-23 Thread Stan Schymanski
I have used snapshots when I forgot to save a notebook under a new name before making big changes and then wanted to revert to the original. It wasn't very convenient, as the plots are not saved, so I could not easily recognise the right version. However, it saved my day! I like the idea of

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-23 Thread William Stein
Hi, I've written a patch against 3.4.1: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/5880 which simply greatly reduces the number of situations that result in snapshots. Basically, now you get them when you click save. There is no autosave. Please try/test. -- William On Thu, Apr 23, 2009

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-23 Thread Timothy Clemans
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:34 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've written a patch against 3.4.1:  http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/5880 which simply greatly reduces the number of situations that result in snapshots. Basically, now you get them when you click save.  

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-23 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Timothy Clemans timothy.clem...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:34 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've written a patch against 3.4.1:  http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/5880 which simply greatly reduces the number of

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-23 Thread Timothy Clemans
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:14 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Timothy Clemans timothy.clem...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:34 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've written a patch against 3.4.1:  

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-23 Thread Rob Beezer
On Apr 22, 5:36 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody here ever use snapshots? I have never used a snapshot, that I am aware of. I've lost a cell or two due to crashes, but I think this was always due to my flaky USB hard drive setup and not Sage's fault. And it was always

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-22 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: kcrisman, You've discovered the tangle of tickets on this I alluded to above.  ;-) 1.  You can delete all your old snapshots to reclaim disk space (or relieve quota limits in a shared environment).  I used some

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-22 Thread kcrisman
Dear Rob, 1.  You can delete all your old snapshots to reclaim disk space (or relieve quota limits in a shared environment).  I used some incantation with find, xargs, and rm (carefully) which cleared them out for every worksheet all at once.  Like Jason I had a few gigabytes worth

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-22 Thread kcrisman
Followup: The original patch athttp://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/5371 has some comments in it about extending the default save times if you wnt to take immediate action.  Some of the names of these autosave variables are mildly misleading, though this is corrected in some of the

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-22 Thread Rob Beezer
I think auto_save_interval could refer to worksheets, while save_interval might refer to nb.sobj. This is part of the problem here - there are variables, keywords and page headings (via Settings in the notebook) that are vague or misleading, and even my attempt to add a bit of documentation to

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-22 Thread Rob Beezer
Here's my $0.02 worth on worksheet management as part of the notebook interface. For most new users the notebook is the face of Sage initially. And it is very impressive. But I worry about users seeing the (very frustrating) slowdowns that Jason and I experienced after heavy use (tens or

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-22 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: Here's my $0.02 worth on worksheet management as part of the notebook interface. For most new users the notebook is the face of Sage initially.  And it is very impressive.  But I worry about users seeing the (very

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-22 Thread kcrisman
There are a good many patches out there to address small aspect of these problems.  In #4886 and #4887 Timothy Clemans has some good ideas for renaming some variables and making default save periods configurable from the Settings page of the notebook.  However, these patches seem to

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-22 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:21 PM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: There are a good many patches out there to address small aspect of these problems.  In #4886 and #4887 Timothy Clemans has some good ideas for renaming some variables and making default save periods configurable from

[sage-support] Re: snapshot saving

2009-04-22 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: William Stein wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:21 PM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: There are a good many patches out there to address small aspect of these problems.  In #4886 and #4887 Timothy Clemans