Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 1:45 PM Konstantin Olchanski wrote: > - NFS-Root support. Last I tried, RHEL-8 would not NFS-boot without major > effort. Diskless clients (NFS root) are working fine for me with AlmaLinux 9.1. The main prerequisite is installing the "readonly-root" package. > - NIS suppo

Re: [SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS] Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 13:30 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 9:38 AM Behrens, Lars (PHI) > wrote: > > > > > CERN and Fermilab jointly plan to provide AlmaLinux as the > > > standard > > > distribution for experiments > > > > Will there be (or is there already) an upgrade

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 9:38 AM Behrens, Lars (PHI) wrote: > > > CERN and Fermilab jointly plan to provide AlmaLinux as the standard > > distribution for experiments > > Will there be (or is there already) an upgrade path from Scientific 7 > to AlmaLinux 8? > > I know they have scripts to switch fr

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

For the record, this view of CERN is very wrong. It implies that CERN keeps "the good stuff" hidden for itself, excludes scientists who are not "in". Actual situation is quite different, as many people know and most people can experience first hand by joining projects and discussion forums hosted

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

> CERN and Fermilab jointly plan to provide AlmaLinux as the standard > distribution for experiments Will there be (or is there already) an upgrade path from Scientific 7 to AlmaLinux 8? I know they have scripts to switch from CentOS/RHEL but have found none so far for SL. Cheerz, Lars smime.p

Re: [SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS] Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

We moved to Centos 8 for user facing servers, from Fedora, during the pandemic. We needed more stability. We switched to AlmaLinux 8 a few months before the Centos 8 went EoL (using the AlmaLinux migration script). We now use AlmaLinux 9 and have no regrets. On the topic of dnf vs. yum. From th

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

Hi Glenn, I find it unusual that HEP will find an AlmaLinux list of much use in many circumstances. Internal to CERN, and perhaps Fermilab and/or the various signatories to which HEP collaborations are getting AlmaLinux from CERN/Fermilab (along with any experiment/data analysis specific sof

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 07:53:26PM +, Glenn Cooper wrote: > > CERN and Fermilab jointly plan to provide AlmaLinux as the standard > distribution for experiments at our facilities ... > I think "too late, too little". The ship has sailed and many people switched to Ubuntu. Switching "back" i

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

Hi Yasha, > Will CERN/Fermilab provide the same level of support to AlmaLinux that > currently is provided for Scientific Linux? AlmaLinux has its own support channels, so those are the way to go if you choose Alma. > Will this list transition into an AlmaLinux list? There are no plans for t

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

Will CERN/Fermilab provide the same level of support to AlmaLinux that currently is provided for Scientific Linux? Will this list transition into an AlmaLinux list? I have looked at the non-vendor lists for non-vendor ports of production RHEL current (CentOS basically is a vendor port). Very

Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

CERN and Fermilab jointly plan to provide AlmaLinux as the standard distribution for experiments at our facilities, reflecting recent experience and discussions with experiments and other stakeholders. AlmaLinux has recently been gaining traction among the community due to its long life cycle fo

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

> On 29 Oct 2021, at 16:46, Troy Dawson wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 12:44 PM Burt Holzman wrote: >> >> On 10/28/2021 8:41 AM, Troy Dawson wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 4:56 AM Götz Waschk >> > wrote: >>> >>>Am 26.10.21 um 04:27 schrieb Patrick J.

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 12:44 PM Burt Holzman wrote: > > On 10/28/2021 8:41 AM, Troy Dawson wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 4:56 AM Götz Waschk > > wrote: > > > > Am 26.10.21 um 04:27 schrieb Patrick J. LoPresti: > > I just like to add that this has already

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On 10/28/2021 8:41 AM, Troy Dawson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 4:56 AM Götz Waschk > wrote: > > Am 26.10.21 um 04:27 schrieb Patrick J. LoPresti: > I just like to add that this has already happened to me with an Ubuntu > 20.04 LTS container running on

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

Am 28.10.21 um 18:09 schrieb Andrew C Aitchison: On Thu, 28 Oct 2021, Götz Waschk wrote: Am 28.10.21 um 15:41 schrieb Troy Dawson: On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 4:56 AM Götz Waschk > wrote:     Am 26.10.21 um 04:27 schrieb Patrick J. LoPresti: > On Mon, Oct 25,

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021, Götz Waschk wrote: Am 28.10.21 um 15:41 schrieb Troy Dawson: On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 4:56 AM Götz Waschk > wrote: Am 26.10.21 um 04:27 schrieb Patrick J. LoPresti: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 5:45 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia mailto:nka..

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

Am 28.10.21 um 15:41 schrieb Troy Dawson: On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 4:56 AM Götz Waschk > wrote: Am 26.10.21 um 04:27 schrieb Patrick J. LoPresti: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 5:45 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia mailto:nka...@gmail.com> >

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 4:56 AM Götz Waschk wrote: > Am 26.10.21 um 04:27 schrieb Patrick J. LoPresti: > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 5:45 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia > > wrote: > > > > > > It's getting harder. > > > > Singularity containers for CentOS 8 (and latest Ubuntu etc.)

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

Am 26.10.21 um 04:27 schrieb Patrick J. LoPresti: On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 5:45 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia > wrote: > > It's getting harder. Singularity containers for CentOS 8 (and latest Ubuntu etc.) work fine on SL7, for now. Of course this is not a long-term solution, si

Re: [SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS] Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

We (small CS department) went with AlmaLinux. It too came out with 8.4 in a very short time frame. On Centos it usually took a few weeks, so I was unprepared for it to be so quick. I only noticed when our clients reported a different version. New installs are now AlmaLinux and existing Centos8 s

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

I already moved to Oracle Linux. It’s a clone too, has Oracle backing it and it’s fast to push updates from RHEL. Also they have UEK and Oracle RDMA Release, which is useful in HPC environments. Perhaps in the future we may move to Alma or Rocky. But for now we’re using Oracle Linux. Stream is

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On 10/26/21 8:21 AM, Mark Stodola wrote: I haven't checked in on this in quite some time.  Has there been a clear preference to Rocky over Alma thus far?  I know I intend to use one or the other, but would be curious to know the direction of the wind among the scientific community. First, I

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

I haven't checked in on this in quite some time.  Has there been a clear preference to Rocky over Alma thus far?  I know I intend to use one or the other, but would be curious to know the direction of the wind among the scientific community. Fax: (608) 831-9591 On 10/26/21 8:18 AM, ~Stack~ wr

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On 10/25/21 9:27 PM, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: The right decision is to restart Scientific Linux. Obviously that is not going to happen, which leaves organizations like mine in a bind. I am not sure what we will do, but CentOS Stream is definitely not it. The restart is called https://url

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To add the opinion of a third Andrew: I couldn't possibly move to a system where I have to use the keyboard to copy and paste between windows :-) (Thank goodness Wayland was persuaded to keep that feature.) On Mon, 25 Oct 2021, Andrew Komornicki wrote: Hi, I wholeheartedly support such a m

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

Hi, I wholeheartedly support such a move. These long threads have no basis in reality. Frankly they have as much purpose as counting the number of angels on the head of a pin. Quite some time ago, as a scientist I stopped at SL 6.9. If need be I have all of my code development tools, and am

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

Yeah, this linux is a nonsense... just migrate to windows already. And the bright future is there for you. On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 22:27 Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 5:45 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia > wrote: > > > > It's getting harder. > > Singularity containers for CentOS 8 (a

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 5:45 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > It's getting harder. Singularity containers for CentOS 8 (and latest Ubuntu etc.) work fine on SL7, for now. Of course this is not a long-term solution, since "kernel too old" will surely crop up eventually. This is an awful decision b

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 9:00 AM Glenn Cooper wrote: > > CERN and Fermilab have been closely evaluating the Linux distribution > landscape. We observe that national cyber infrastructure organizations are > increasingly supporting more science domains, so in addition to LHC- or > HEP-specific con

Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

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Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution

CERN and Fermilab have been closely evaluating the Linux distribution landscape. We observe that national cyber infrastructure organizations are increasingly supporting more science domains, so in addition to LHC- or HEP-specific considerations, it will be useful to have a choice that is widely