: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 7:52 PM
To: William R. Somsky
Cc: scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Pondering a switch to Debian (2)
On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 03:59:51PM -0800, Yasha Karant wrote:
> I apologize that you do not see the lack of a way forward to EL 8 or
>
On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 03:59:51PM -0800, Yasha Karant wrote:
> I apologize that you do not see the lack of a way forward to EL 8 or
> other options as a pressing problem in need of a technical solution.
> ...
On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 09:04:25AM -0800, William R. Somsky wrote:
> But is this
But is this *specific* thread producing any light?
Or just generating heat?
On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 03:59:51PM -0800, Yasha Karant wrote:
> I apologize that you do not see the lack of a way forward to EL 8 or
> other options as a pressing problem in need of a technical solution.
> Typically,
On 2/4/21 7:13 PM, Arthur H. Edwards wrote:
> Ubuntu has encryption capabilities that require licenses, and we are fighting
> that fight right now.
Could you elaborate on the above, please?
I apologize that you do not see the lack of a way forward to EL 8 or
other options as a pressing problem in need of a technical solution.
Typically, such issues are major engineering concerns when there is a
forthcoming and clear problem with the "supply chain", as practical
engineering deals
On Feb 5, 2021 6:17 PM, Andrew Komornicki wrote:.
This used to be a forum where people provided technical solutions to
pressing problems. In my $dayjob role I will be deciding the operating system direction for our entire site beyond CentOS 8's EOS date at the end of 2021. Since SL 8 was
It doesn't mean they don't have day jobs that require their attention,
it means that people live in different time zones and work different
hours, but I do agree with you I haven't seen any technical discussions
in a long time here on the list.
On 2/6/21 12:17 AM, Andrew Komornicki wrote:
Could the two of you please take this discussion off line.
This used to be a forum where people provided technical solutions to
pressing problems. You obviously do not have a day job that requires
your attention and are filling up peoples in boxes with your personal
banter.
regards,
Andrew
On
On Feb 5, 2021 5:48 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:For the time being -- until IBM RH decides otherwise -- Princeton
Springdale EL 8 appears to be what SL 8 would have been, and
professionally is produced by Princeton staff. Much will ride on what Fermi and CERN decide; but this would be my first
For the time being -- until IBM RH decides otherwise -- Princeton
Springdale EL 8 appears to be what SL 8 would have been, and
professionally is produced by Princeton staff. As for there being no
rebuild of SuSE SLES -- a question I asked long ago when we tested,
under support license from
On 2/5/21 3:59 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
I respectfully disagree. There is *NO* RPM EL that does not originate
with a corporate for-profit overlord
That is correct; all EL rebuilds are dependent upon RH continuing to act
in good faith. If I'm going to switch from one EL rebuild to another
I respectfully disagree. There is *NO* RPM EL that does not originate
with a corporate for-profit overlord -- CentOS and Rocky both are ports
of the IBM RH source distro (required under GPL and Linux licenses -- if
a corporate overload violates the GPL or Linux licenses, I suspect that
any
On 2/4/21 1:33 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
...
Lowen - thank you for your excellent write up. I am puzzled by a couple
of things and I have a few comments:
- you say good words about professionalism and make good noises
about the high quality of Debian, but you do not elaborate why
you
From below:
If you like the RH user interface, just get the gnome-session-flashback
package. It's a slightly updated gnome-2 environment.
End excerpt.
Ubuntu has many window management user interfaces. If one likes Gnome
2, also consider MATE that is available and works under LTS (the
Consider I am having trouble getting my collaborator to start testing our
software on EL8. I don't know how well switching to Debian based distro will go.
Ching Him
I don't know how welcome this point of view is, but, here goes.
I started on RH 4.1, back before kernel modules, before ppp was part of the
kernel, etc (1997). After a brief detour to suse, I changed to Debian and
stayed there for ten years. The package management system is way cleaner than
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Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 8:21 PM
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Subject: Re: Pondering a swit
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 10:56:39AM -0800, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:58 PM Keith Lofstrom wrote:
> >
> > So - who else is contemplating a move to Debian?
>
> We will be following CERN and Fermilab's lead, whatever that is.
>
Same here. We build experiments that are
Several comments as a long term RedHat production (pre-Fedora) and then
EL user -- on laptops, on workstations (including workstations for
scientific visualisation), and on compute and storage server "farms".
1. Ubuntu LTS serves essentially the same sector as EL, including SL
with some
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:58 PM Keith Lofstrom wrote:
>
> So - who else is contemplating a move to Debian?
We will be following CERN and Fermilab's lead, whatever that is.
But the longer we go without knowing, the more uncomfortable we get.
Anybody have any inside information on their thinking?
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 09:45:03AM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 2/3/21 7:52 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote:
> >... I'm thinking about
> >abandoning 25 years of Redhat experience and switching to
> >Debian, while my aging brain can still handle change.
> >...
> >So - who else is contemplating a move to
On 2/3/21 7:52 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote:
... I'm thinking about
abandoning 25 years of Redhat experience and switching to
Debian, while my aging brain can still handle change.
...
So - who else is contemplating a move to Debian?
I am. Why Debian and not a downstream version like Ubuntu,
Keith Lofstrom writes:
> I very much hope to stay connected to the "scientific"
> aspect of our community. Making big changes together
> with other science computationalists would be easier.
I note that Debian has a science group which, unlike "Scientific" Linux,
actually provides packaging of
There are several issues with IBM RHEL clones, ultimately controlled by
what is termed the Nazgul below (presumably a reference to the fictional
entities:
On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 04:52:54PM -0800, Keith Lofstrom wrote:
>
> So - who else is contemplating a move to Debian?
>
Count me in.
All ARM stuff is already Debian (Ubuntu/Raspbian/Raspios).
Tomorrow, I am converting my 3 ARM machines running CentOS-7 to Raspios,
next day, I am converting
I will not move to Debian.
RHEL clones have 10 years of lifecycle, AlmaLinux just dropped it’s beta today.
So there’s no reason to move to Debian or Ubuntu.
> On 3 Feb 2021, at 21:52, Keith Lofstrom wrote:
>
> Having been burned by IBM before, and with no guarantee
> that "Long-term Redhat
Having been burned by IBM before, and with no guarantee
that "Long-term Redhat for individuals" will survive IBM's
legal department into the far future --- I'm thinking about
abandoning 25 years of Redhat experience and switching to
Debian, while my aging brain can still handle change.
Debian -
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