Re: about realtime system

2014-08-28 Thread Bill Hn
...@asu.edu, Lee Kin llwa...@gmail.com, SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@FNAL.GOV scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:27:39 PM Subject: Re: about realtime system ... By the way one of those stock exchanges is where the VMware engineers told us never to use their product in production

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-28 Thread David Sommerseth
On 27/08/14 19:21, Ken Teh wrote: When I first worked with it, it ran the 1.3 kernel and it was really fast. A 6µsec latency. It got progressively worse with 2x kernels. But still much better than the 150µsec quoted earler. Just to clarify. 150µsec max latency is the certification criteria

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-27 Thread David Sommerseth
On 24/08/14 18:57, John Lauro wrote: Why spread FUD about Vmware. Anyways, to hear what they say on the subject: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/techpaper/latency-sensitive-perf-vsphere55.pdf Anyways, KVM will not handle latency any better than Vmware. You can currently not achieve true

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-27 Thread Michael Duvall
: Re: about realtime system Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:27:50 -0400 On 24/08/14 18:57, John Lauro wrote: Why spread FUD about Vmware. Anyways, to hear what they say on the subject: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/techpaper/latency-sensitive-perf-vsphere55.pdf Anyways, KVM will not handle

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-27 Thread Ken Teh
...@gmail.com%3e *Subject*: Re: about realtime system *Date*: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:27:50 -0400 On 24/08/14 18:57, John Lauro wrote: Why spread FUD about Vmware. Anyways, to hear what they say on the subject: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/techpaper/latency-sensitive-perf-vsphere55.pdf Anyways, KVM

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Brandon Vincent brandon.vinc...@asu.edu wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:41 AM, llwa...@gmail.com wrote: Does it really make difference in timing control comparing to non-realtime kernel? Thanks. Whether or not you need a RTOS depends on your specific needs.

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread John Lauro
To: Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com Cc: Brandon Vincent brandon.vinc...@asu.edu, llwa...@gmail.com, SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@FNAL.GOV scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:26:17 PM Subject: Re: about realtime system Wow I don't know how VMware got mentioned

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
Subject: Re: about realtime system Wow I don't know how VMware got mentioned in this string but VMware is not capable of real time operation and if you ask the senior engineers at VMware they will tell you they don't want you even trying it on their product because they know it wont work

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Brandon Vincent
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com wrote: That said I've run hundreds of mission critical systems many accurate to within 5 milliseconds on the standard kernel with proper tuning and a stripped down OS install for nearly a decade and Ive never had an

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Paul Robert Marino
: Brandon Vincent brandon.vinc...@asu.edu, llwa...@gmail.com, SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@FNAL.GOV scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:26:17 PM Subject: Re: about realtime system Wow I don't know how VMware got mentioned in this string but VMware is not capable of real

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Paul Robert Marino
-linux-users@fnal.gov Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:26:17 PM Subject: Re: about realtime system Wow I don't know how VMware got mentioned in this string but VMware is not capable of real time operation and if you ask the senior engineers at VMware they will tell you they don't want you even

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread John Lauro
:39 PM Subject: Re: about realtime system ... By the way one of those stock exchanges is where the VMware engineers told us never to use their product in production. In fact we had huge problems with VMware in our development environments because some of our applications would actually detect

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Paul Robert Marino
...@gmail.com To: Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com Cc: John Lauro john.la...@covenanteyes.com, Brandon Vincent brandon.vinc...@asu.edu, Lee Kin llwa...@gmail.com, SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@FNAL.GOV scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:27:39 PM Subject: Re: about realtime

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread jdow
scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:27:39 PM Subject: Re: about realtime system ... By the way one of those stock exchanges is where the VMware engineers told us never to use their product in production. In fact we had huge problems with VMware in our development environments

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com wrote: Nico Depending on the role of the particular system and or which company I was working for at the time I've need one the other or both. In my current role in the broadcast industry precision with predictable

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 7:50 PM, jdow j...@earthlink.net wrote: The stock exchange could remove most of the problem, meaning high frequency trades, by placing a purely random 0 to 1 second latency on all incoming data and all outgoing data. The high frequency trading reads to me as just

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Paul Robert Marino
Seriously lets take the high frequency trading thing off this list and any one else who wants to talk to me as well a out it, I'm perfectly happy to explain it.Further more I'm willing to explain the real problems with the world financial system but not on this list and certainly not on this