Re: PLEASE ignore my ranting _ I apologize deeply; it was not worthy of this mail-list. Fw: Re: about realtime system

2014-08-28 Thread Paul Robert Marino
:05 PM From: "Bill Hn" To: "Paul Robert Marino" Cc: jdow , scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov Subject: Re: about realtime system Paul Robert Marino, "Your comments are not constructive and make you seem very ignorant, pop culture politics polarized, [tool - of - tho

PLEASE ignore my ranting _ I apologize deeply; it was not worthy of this mail-list. Fw: Re: about realtime system

2014-08-28 Thread Bill Hn
, August 28, 2014 at 12:05 PM From: "Bill Hn" To: "Paul Robert Marino" Cc: jdow , scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov Subject: Re: about realtime system Paul Robert Marino, "Your comments are not constructive and make you seem very ignorant, pop culture politics polari

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-28 Thread David Sommerseth
On 27/08/14 19:21, Ken Teh wrote: > When I first worked with it, it ran the 1.3 kernel and it was really > fast. A 6µsec latency. It got progressively worse with 2x kernels. But > still much better than the 150µsec quoted earler. Just to clarify. 150µsec max latency is the certification criteri

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2014-08-28 Thread Bill Hn
3:05 AM From: "Paul Robert Marino" To: jdow , scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov Subject: Re: about realtime system Jdow Your comments are not constructive and make you seem very ignorant, pop culture politics polarized, and unaware of the actual conversations involved in this thread. F

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2014-08-27 Thread Ken Teh
NTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@FNAL.GOV mailto:%22scientific-linux-us...@fnal.gov%22%20%3cscientific-linux-us...@fnal.gov%3e>>, Nico Kadel-Garcia mailto:nico%20kadel-garcia%20%3cnka...@gmail.com%3e>> *Subject*: Re: about realtime system *Date*: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:27:50 -0400 On 24/08/14 18:57, Jo

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2014-08-27 Thread Michael Duvall
bert Marino Cc: Brandon Vincent , llwa...@gmail.com , SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@FNAL.GOV , Nico Kadel-Garcia Subject: Re: about realtime system Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:27:50 -0400 On 24/08/14 18:57, John Lauro wrote: > Why spread FUD about Vmware. Anyways, to hear what they say on t

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-27 Thread David Sommerseth
On 24/08/14 18:57, John Lauro wrote: > Why spread FUD about Vmware. Anyways, to hear what they say on the subject: > http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/techpaper/latency-sensitive-perf-vsphere55.pdf > > Anyways, KVM will not handle latency any better than Vmware. You can currently not achieve true

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-27 Thread David Sommerseth
On 22/08/14 18:41, llwa...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi all, > I find scientific linux in NI (Labview)'s page. I find that labview support > linux systems including scientific linux from ver 2011. I am going to > build a system with labview installed on this OS. The reason that I > don't use MS windows

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2014-08-24 Thread jdow
ributed in-memory data management, stock trading, and high-performance computing have long been thought to be incompatible with virtualization. >> vSphere 5.5 includes a new feature for setting latency sensitivity in order to support virtual machines with strict latency requirements." >> >

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2014-08-24 Thread Paul Robert Marino
Seriously lets take the high frequency trading thing off this list and any one else who wants to talk to me as well a out it, I'm perfectly happy to explain it.Further more I'm willing to explain the real problems with the world financial system but not on this list and certainly not on this thread

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2014-08-24 Thread Paul Robert Marino
ements such as distributed in-memory data management, stock trading, and high-performance computing have long been thought to be incompatible with virtualization. >> vSphere 5.5 includes a new feature for setting latency sensitivity in order to support virtual machines with strict latency requ

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2014-08-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 7:50 PM, jdow wrote: > The stock exchange could remove most of the problem, meaning high > frequency trades, by placing a purely random 0 to 1 second latency > on all incoming data and all outgoing data. The high frequency trading > reads to me as just another means of skim

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2014-08-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: > Nico > Depending on the role of the particular system and or which company I > was working for at the time I've need one the other or both. > In my current role in the broadcast industry precision with > predictable latency is more impor

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2014-08-24 Thread jdow
setting latency sensitivity in order to support virtual machines with strict latency requirements." - Original Message - From: "Paul Robert Marino" To: "Nico Kadel-Garcia" Cc: "John Lauro" , "Brandon Vincent" , "Lee Kin" , "S

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2014-08-24 Thread Paul Robert Marino
ements." > > > - Original Message - >> From: "Paul Robert Marino" >> To: "Nico Kadel-Garcia" >> Cc: "John Lauro" , "Brandon Vincent" >> , "Lee Kin" >> , "SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@FNAL.GOV"

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2014-08-24 Thread John Lauro
al Message - > From: "Paul Robert Marino" > To: "Nico Kadel-Garcia" > Cc: "John Lauro" , "Brandon Vincent" > , "Lee Kin" > , "SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@FNAL.GOV" > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:27:39 PM > Subjec

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2014-08-24 Thread Paul Robert Marino
etter than Vmware. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Paul Robert Marino" >>>> To: "Nico Kadel-Garcia" >>>> Cc: "Brandon Vincent" , llwa...@gmail.com, >>>> "SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Paul Robert Marino
;Paul Robert Marino" >>> To: "Nico Kadel-Garcia" >>> Cc: "Brandon Vincent" , llwa...@gmail.com, >>> "SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@FNAL.GOV" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:26:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: about realtime sy

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2014-08-24 Thread Brandon Vincent
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: > That said I've run hundreds of mission critical systems many accurate to > within 5 > milliseconds on the standard kernel with proper tuning and a stripped > down OS install for nearly a decade and Ive never had an issue. The standard

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2014-08-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
gt; - Original Message - >> From: "Paul Robert Marino" >> To: "Nico Kadel-Garcia" >> Cc: "Brandon Vincent" , llwa...@gmail.com, >> "SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@FNAL.GOV" >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:26:17 PM

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread John Lauro
To: "Nico Kadel-Garcia" > Cc: "Brandon Vincent" , llwa...@gmail.com, > "SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@FNAL.GOV" > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: about realtime system > > Wow I don't know how VMware got mentioned in thi

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Paul Robert Marino
Wow I don't know how VMware got mentioned in this string but VMware is not capable of real time operation and if you ask the senior engineers at VMware they will tell you they don't want you even trying it on their product because they know it wont work. The reason is VMware plays games with the cl

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Brandon Vincent wrote: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:41 AM, wrote: >> Does it really make difference in timing control comparing to non-realtime >> kernel? Thanks. > > Whether or not you need a RTOS depends on your specific needs. Since > you're working with LabVIE

Re: about realtime system

2014-08-23 Thread Brandon Vincent
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:41 AM, wrote: > Does it really make difference in timing control comparing to non-realtime > kernel? Thanks. Whether or not you need a RTOS depends on your specific needs. Since you're working with LabVIEW, I would check out their white paper on the subject. http://www.

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2014-08-22 Thread llwaeva
Hi all, I find scientific linux in NI (Labview)'s page. I find that labview support linux systems including scientific linux from ver 2011. I am going to build a system with labview installed on this OS. The reason that I don't use MS windows is the time slice control is pretty bad and most time