Re: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-17 Thread Meritt James
I think that IT people with a little security training know better. The self-taught may be fooled into thinking that. Derek Spransy wrote: I think that a lot of IT people with little security training think that a firewall is an all in one solution. [snip] -- James W. Meritt CISSP,

RE: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-16 Thread Derek Spransy
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:57 AM To: Omar Koudsi; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hardening VS firewalling ? If I have to choose _only_ one, then I would go for security patches, but if I use time optimization as a base for my decision, then I would firewall to deny

RE: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-14 Thread leon
everyone is having a nice weekend, Leon - -Original Message- From: Octavio / Super [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:57 AM To: Omar Koudsi; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hardening VS firewalling ? If I have to choose _only_ one, then I would go for security patches

RE: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-10 Thread Robert D. Hughes
I find that I can hardly call a single point of failure an advantage. -Original Message- From: Devdas Bhagat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hardening VS firewalling ? Another advantage of a firewall

RE: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-10 Thread David
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 6:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hardening VS firewalling ? OK, I know this is more of a theoretical debate, because in reality we are able and should do BOTH. But according to you, which is more important? Paying attention to having great

Re: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-09 Thread Meritt James
Back to the crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside vs. tough to chew through and through, huh? I've seen it well implemented both ways. My PERSONAL preference is that a firewall is not needed for a network if EVERYONE on that net using EVERY system is fully versed in hardening methods. It

Re: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-09 Thread Jeff Giuliano
I would choose hardening, because ultimately (in general) it is a host that is being compromised, not a network (at least not directly). You can firewall all you want but if you are not configuring the services securely that you DO let through then you are still at great risk. Additionally, if

Re: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-09 Thread Terry Jordan
Personally, Id chose a great firewall. Becasue firewalls effectively seperate your business critical apps, services or whatever from the rest of the prying world, youve got a kind of safety net to fall on. Most OS and applications dont come out of the box with gaping exploitable security

RE: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-09 Thread Johnson, Wayne
be to unplug the router until you have the network secured, but that's almost never an option. - Wayne Johnson -Original Message- From: Robert D. Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Hardening VS firewalling

RE: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-08 Thread Robert D. Hughes
:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hardening VS firewalling ? OK, I know this is more of a theoretical debate, because in reality we are able and should do BOTH. But according to you, which is more important? Paying attention to having great firewall with a great ACL more than hardening

RE: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-08 Thread Koslowski, B.
OK, I know this is more of a theoretical debate, because in reality we are able and should do BOTH. But according to you, which is more important? Paying attention to having great firewall with a great ACL more than hardening and patching the systems? Or not have to worry about the

Re: Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-08 Thread Octavio / Super
If I have to choose _only_ one, then I would go for security patches, but if I use time optimization as a base for my decision, then I would firewall to deny everything except explicitly necessary services and then I would security-patch all of those explicitly allowed services. If time is

Hardening VS firewalling ?

2002-01-07 Thread Omar Koudsi
OK, I know this is more of a theoretical debate, because in reality we are able and should do BOTH. But according to you, which is more important? Paying attention to having great firewall with a great ACL more than hardening and patching the systems? Or not have to worry about the firewall or