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From: Didier Brems [mailto:didier.brems;creditlyonnais.lu]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:27 AM
To: Clint Harris; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WIRELESS THEFT
I thing Clint give the best answer here.
For my personal point of view I agree with him, I don't thing your
: Teodorski, Chris [mailto:cteodorski;ppg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:46 PM
To: Alaric Darconville; Jeff Knox
Cc: Mike Dresser; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
I am amazed that this discussion continues.it seems to metheft of
services is theft of services. You
Hey Folks,
This thread has pretty much polarized into a theft/non-theft argument.
Unless somebody out there has something definitive or authoritative to add
(i.e., current legislation, legal precedent, etc.) other than personal
opinion, the thread is dead.
Thanks,
Stephen Entwisle
Moderator,
when he got a problem with his bike.
Cheers
Didier
- Original Message -
From: Clint Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:48 AM
Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
Since you are subscribing to this list I would expect that you are a
security type
: Re: WIRELESS THEFT
Not to debate your point, it is clearly theft, but your analogy doesn't
work.
They're not leaving the doors unlocked, they're leaving their stuff on his
doorstep, or maybe even on his kitchen table.
Nick
- Original Message -
From: Teodorski, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED
Teodorski, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] randomly produced:
I am amazed that this discussion continues.it seems to
metheft of services is theft of services. You can't break into
my house and use my stuff just because I don't lock the door..
But surely this is a little different?
Radio waves are not considered to be intruding onto your property
unless they cause interference to the operation of some other device
such as TV operation, another radio receiver, telephone, or any
devices operation on your property. When interference is detected the
FCC Regulations require
the people at http://www.austinwireless.net/ or
http://www.bawug.org/ would agree.
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From: Teodorski, Chris [mailto:cteodorski;ppg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:46 PM
To: Alaric Darconville; Jeff Knox
Cc: Mike Dresser; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
I am
: WIRELESS THEFT
I am amazed that this discussion continues.it seems to metheft of services is
theft of services. You can't break into my house and use my stuff just because I
don't lock the door..
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From: Raoul Armfield [mailto:armfield;amnh.org]
Sent: Tuesday
, 2002 12:59 PM
To: Alaric Darconville; Jeff Knox
Cc: Mike Dresser; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
:-Original Message-
:From: Alaric Darconville [mailto:alaric;cowboy.net]
:Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:48 PM
:To: Jeff Knox
:Cc: Mike Dresser; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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:Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
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:that means harmful interference to other devices
:Which is precisely what I was talking about. To get any 'usable'
:downstream, you have to send upstream, at first just to initiate the
:connection that you want, and then the normal TCP acknowledgments as you
, and sports broadcasts speaks to
public display for the purpose of financial gain.
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From: Jay DeSotel [mailto:jay;interl.net]
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
On 18 Oct 2002, ONEILL David J wrote:
How
that means harmful interference to other devices
Which is precisely what I was talking about. To get any 'usable'
downstream, you have to send upstream, at first just to initiate the
connection that you want, and then the normal TCP acknowledgments as you
receive the data. The bandwidth you use
:-Original Message-
:From: Alaric Darconville [mailto:alaric;cowboy.net]
:Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:48 PM
:To: Jeff Knox
:Cc: Mike Dresser; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
:
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:that means harmful interference to other devices
:Which is precisely what I was talking
The disclaimer on PPV's, video rentals, and sports broadcasts speaks to
public display for the purpose of financial gain.
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From: Jay DeSotel [mailto:jay;interl.net]
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
On 18 Oct 2002
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: WIRELESS THEFT
Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft?
One of the apartment complexes near mine has free wireless
connections offered to their residents. Now, my computer happens to
catch that signal.
Now
Then there's the FCC statement on your own equipment saying the device
must not *generate* harmful interference. Using any appreciable amount of
bandwidth could be considered generating harmful interference. It doesn't
matter that their equipment is required to accept it, you're not allowed
to
(or
may not) open you up to legal troubles.
Then again, I could be wrong :)
Luck,
-b-
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From: Johannes Ullrich [mailto:jullrich;euclidian.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:49 PM
To: Amit P. Gandre; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WIRELESS THEFT
Hi
A M E N !
David J. O'Neill
NEDSS - IS7
Parkway Bldg., 2nd Floor
Phone: (503) 378-2101 ext. 364
FAX: (503) 378-2102
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Alaric Darconville wrote:
Receiving the signal itself is not the problem-- it's the broadcasting
back into that
Would it also come down to trespass?
Just a thought...
nard
http://www.nardware.co.uk
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From: Robert J. Young [mailto:rjyoung;frankie.ca]
Sent: 18 October 2002 17:26
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WIRELESS THEFT
It's a theft of service. The wireless part
, October 15, 2002 4:27 PM
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Subject: WIRELESS THEFT
Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft?
One of the apartment complexes near mine has free wireless
connections offered to their residents. Now, my computer happens to
catch
that signal
. Dyson [mailto:jdyson;treachery.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:18 PM
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you want-- just don't cause any new ones to
become part of that network.
Alaric
Amit P. Gandre [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] on Tuesday, Oct 15, 2002 11:27 PM
testified before the Joint Congressional Committee on Going Barefoot:
Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft
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Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
I don't see how inadvertently receiving *any* kind of signal could be
considered theft. Actually making use of that signal is a somewhat
different yet difficult issue. An Internet connection is being sent
through your home where you can receive it. Considering
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From: Johannes Ullrich [mailto:jullrich;euclidian.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:49 PM
To: Amit P. Gandre; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WIRELESS THEFT
Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft?
I don't think Congress has caught up
Not to flame you, but W R O N G ! ! ! . . .
This would be no different than using a ham radio. If you broadcast the
message, even if you intended it to be received by a single recipient, you
still have no legal expectations that no one but the intended target will
listen and/or respond
if they don't lock it down, it's not your problem.
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From: Amit P. Gandre [mailto:agandre;cise.ufl.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: WIRELESS THEFT
Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft
Reconfigure their network so you can't get in... ;)
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From: Amit P. Gandre [mailto:agandre;cise.ufl.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:27 PM
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Subject: WIRELESS THEFT
Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft
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Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
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One
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Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft?
One of the apartment complexes near mine has free wireless
connections offered to their residents. Now
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Subject: WIRELESS THEFT
Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft?
One of the apartment complexes near mine has free wireless
connections offered to their residents. Now, my computer happens
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On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Amit P. Gandre wrote:
Can someone
On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 01:48 PM, Johannes Ullrich wrote:
Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft?
I wouldn't go about calling it theft. If you are throwing candy at
people, chances are some are going to eat it, right? Your AP should
have
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Subject: WIRELESS THEFT
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:26:47 -0400 (EDT)
Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft?
One of the apartment complexes near mine has free wireless
connections offered to their residents. Now, my computer happens to catch
Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft?
I don't think Congress has caught up with this yet. But from what
I hear (usual disclaimer: INAL), you are free to pick up the
signal as long as you are not breaking any WEP or other login
restriction. Its kind
not) open you up to legal troubles.
Then again, I could be wrong :)
Luck,
-b-
-Original Message-
From: Johannes Ullrich [mailto:jullrich;euclidian.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:49 PM
To: Amit P. Gandre; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WIRELESS THEFT
Hi
Can someone tell me
[mailto:agandre;cise.ufl.edu]
Sent: den 15 oktober 2002 23:27
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: WIRELESS THEFT
Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft?
One of the apartment complexes near mine has free wireless
connections offered to their residents
One of the things you should be looking at is Are you a member of their
organization (a resident??) If not then it is not for you to use. Example would be, a
group of homes get water piped or brought into there property. You in turn tap into
that pipe . lets say because it leaks
Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
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Hi
Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
theft?
One of the apartment complexes near mine has free wireless
connections offered to their residents. Now, my computer happens to catch
that signal.
Now, is that illegal. If so, how should I go about
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