Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-18 Thread Joachim Draeger
Stefano Bagnara schrieb: Unfortunately I guess that IMAP won't be included in next-minor or next-major, but we can only expect to be able to do some steps in that 2 releases (it would be *really* cool if we were able to put experimental unstable support for imap in next-major but this is not

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-16 Thread Norman Maurer
Stefano Bagnara schrieb: Bernd Fondermann wrote: Do you agree with one of these 2 plans? Have you, instead, a third proposal (possibly including expected date to branch/date to release and expected feature list)? As I said, let's go forward with trunk. (Exception: make hotfixes to 2.3 and

Re: Version numbers (Was: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map)

2006-09-16 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On 9/16/06, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernd Fondermann wrote: Stefano, Sorry, cannot parse this. You lost me way before you said that -1 should not be the next version number for James. I feel stupid. You are using too much words for me to cope with. Do you have 3 or 4

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Jürgen Hoffmann
Hi to all Developers, I have been following this thread for some time now. Being a Person that is only watching, I came to the conclusion that You as Developers have a totally different understanding as of what should be a 2.4 Release. Right now you are quarreling about things that should be

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On 9/15/06, Jürgen Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all Developers, I have been following this thread for some time now. Being a Person that is only watching, I came to the conclusion that You as Developers have a totally different understanding as of what should be a 2.4 Release. As

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Jürgen Hoffmann
Hi Stefano, Stefano Bagnara schrieb: So, do you think that current 2.3.0rc3 should be released as 3.0? no. what is 2.3.0rc3 is, and stays 2.3.0rc3 and will be released as 2.3.0 possible Bugs within it should be released as 2.3.1 Main development (your roadmap to 2.4) should now be 3.0

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Jürgen Hoffmann
Hi Bernd, Bernd Fondermann schrieb: ... and probably common many others here at Apache. (Some are even worse ;-)) It is sometimes painful, but this community is not driven by project management, it is driven by _consent_. It's not always as pragmatic as everyone would like to have it. And there

Re: Team Work and *my* approach to open source (Was: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map)

2006-09-15 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On 9/15/06, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernd Fondermann wrote: [...] There is some truth in this. But Eclipse is driven by companies, it is like a software company. We are not this way. That does not mean we aren't successfull, but this is not an objective opinion either ;-)

Version numbers (Was: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map)

2006-09-15 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Jürgen Hoffmann wrote: I still don't know what Vincenzo and Noel want to do with the next-minor release so I'm not able to vote now the number of their release. We also don't have a string roadmap for next-major release (6 months) and I would be more inclined in using 2.x if we don't add some

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On 9/15/06, Jürgen Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bernd, Bernd Fondermann schrieb: That's really great. I'd guess you get some real value back for that! At this point in time, the amount of value put into the project is much much greater. how can you say that?! you get other's and my

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Bernd Fondermann wrote: Bernd, this was by no means to be understood as an offense or anything against other active contributors on this project. This List is neither complete nor a concrete suggestion. Replace the Names in the Lists with A, B, C, and D. -1. Not agreed. I favor all the

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On 9/15/06, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernd Fondermann wrote: Bernd, this was by no means to be understood as an offense or anything against other active contributors on this project. This List is neither complete nor a concrete suggestion. Replace the Names in the Lists with

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Bernd Fondermann wrote: Let's at first work together on trunk and then decide to release (when time is due but quite soon). If there are developments which are not completed, ok. Lets disable them, or mark them as experimental, but release what we have. Then, let's move on. I am not opposing

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Jürgen Hoffmann
Hi Stefano, Hi Bernd, Bernd, this was by no means to be understood as an offense or anything against other active contributors on this project. This List is neither complete nor a concrete suggestion. Replace the Names in the Lists with A, B, C, and D. -1. Not agreed. I favor all the

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On 9/15/06, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernd Fondermann wrote: Let's at first work together on trunk and then decide to release (when time is due but quite soon). If there are developments which are not completed, ok. Lets disable them, or mark them as experimental, but release

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On 9/15/06, Jürgen Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Stefano, Hi Bernd, this is exactly why there should be certain assignments ( I did not use responsibilities with a purpose ;) ) I see two parties right now. One that ones to do the big thing, work on the next major release, and the

Re: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map

2006-09-15 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Bernd Fondermann wrote: Do you agree with one of these 2 plans? Have you, instead, a third proposal (possibly including expected date to branch/date to release and expected feature list)? As I said, let's go forward with trunk. (Exception: make hotfixes to 2.3 and release that as 2.3.1

Re: Version numbers (Was: LONG JAMES v2.4 Road Map)

2006-09-15 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Bernd Fondermann wrote: Stefano, Sorry, cannot parse this. You lost me way before you said that -1 should not be the next version number for James. I feel stupid. You are using too much words for me to cope with. Do you have 3 or 4 simple words summarizing your ideas? Are you saying that, the