Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Serge Knystautas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Bernd Fondermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See above regarding Postage. And keep in mind that I've used

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Bernd Fondermann
Serge Knystautas wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I propose is that we setup a JAMES zone, and start to deploy JAMES in that zone. That will be published in the DNS, and quite shortly we should start to see a lot of connections coming

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Bernd Fondermann ha scritto: On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernd Fondermann wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: That sort of thinking led Stefano to push to rush out v2.3.0 over my objections that there was a critical memory leak. This is an obvious

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto: i can happily live without any more JAMES server releases. the plan to release JAMES as a series of loosely coupled embeddable libraries works very well for me. but from a community perspective, being able to work together to create new JAMES server releases

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Bernd Fondermann ha scritto: Serge Knystautas wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I propose is that we setup a JAMES zone, and start to deploy JAMES in that zone. That will be published in the DNS, and quite shortly we should start to

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernd Fondermann ha scritto: Serge Knystautas wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I propose is that we setup a JAMES zone, and start to deploy JAMES

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Bernd Fondermann ha scritto: On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What domain can we host for the tests? I would like to donate a domain, for example james-testing.org. I would be able to admin the nameserver according to our needs. Good. The more

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto: i can happily live without any more JAMES server releases. the plan to release JAMES as a series of loosely coupled embeddable libraries works very well for me. but from a community

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto: On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto: i can happily live without any more JAMES server releases. the plan to release JAMES as a series of loosely coupled embeddable libraries works very

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto: On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto: i can happily live without any more JAMES server releases.

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto: On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you say it again with different words? (concrete checklist/roadmap would be perfect to avoid my misunderstanding ;-) ). 1 Isn't it time we did a release? 2 [PROPOSAL] Prepare

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto: On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you say it again with different words? (concrete checklist/roadmap would be perfect to avoid my

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-04 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernd Fondermann wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: That sort of thinking led Stefano to push to rush out v2.3.0 over my objections that there was a critical memory leak. This is an obvious attempt to discredit other

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-04 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernd Fondermann wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: The proposal is based on the fact that every message delivered to the zone will be disposable spam. Therefore, unlike performing some sort of faux release

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-04 Thread Serge Knystautas
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I propose is that we setup a JAMES zone, and start to deploy JAMES in that zone. That will be published in the DNS, and quite shortly we should start to see a lot of connections coming to it as millions of

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-04 Thread Serge Knystautas
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Bernd Fondermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See above regarding Postage. And keep in mind that I've used Postal and Rabid for isolated testing in the past, but it (too) is not

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-03 Thread Bernd Fondermann
Stefano Bagnara wrote: Noel J. Bergman ha scritto: That sort of thinking led Stefano to push to rush out v2.3.0 over my objections that there was a critical memory leak. This is an obvious attempt to discredit other committers and bring back the old hostile atmosphere we were able to

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-03 Thread Bernd Fondermann
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Bernd Fondermann wrote: I don't trust 2.3.1 more than TRUNK or any other James snapshot. That's really too bad, since we know from empirical experience that JAMES 2.3 + my patches hold up to years of real-world production loads. We have some justification that 2.3.x

RE: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Bernd Fondermann wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: That sort of thinking led Stefano to push to rush out v2.3.0 over my objections that there was a critical memory leak. This is an obvious attempt to discredit other committers and bring back the old hostile atmosphere we were able to overcome

RE: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Bernd Fondermann wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: The proposal is based on the fact that every message delivered to the zone will be disposable spam. Therefore, unlike performing some sort of faux release without any basis, we will be testing in a risk-free environment. Every message can be

re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
to improve my opinion of said person's competence to make that judgement. Frankly, I consider a milestone from trunk to be less than a bad joke, and would vote -1 on the grounds that no one can consider trunk even close to being supportable. You and Danny have recently said almost the same thing

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-02 Thread Bernd Fondermann
not trustworthy. Anyone who would consider releasing from trunk would do little to improve my opinion of said person's competence to make that judgement. Frankly, I consider a milestone from trunk to be less than a bad joke, and would vote -1 on the grounds that no one can consider trunk

RE: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Bernd Fondermann wrote: I don't trust 2.3.1 more than TRUNK or any other James snapshot. That's really too bad, since we know from empirical experience that JAMES 2.3 + my patches hold up to years of real-world production loads. We have some justification that 2.3.x are OK because we're not

Re: Milestone from trunk

2008-05-02 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Noel J. Bergman ha scritto: That sort of thinking led Stefano to push to rush out v2.3.0 over my objections that there was a critical memory leak. LOL very funny :-) Stefano - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Milestone from trunk? (Was: [server] trunk -= IMAP/Mailbox source...?)

2008-04-29 Thread Stefano Bagnara
. releasing code as libraries rather than a monolithic application also reduces the effort required to review a release. I'm not 100% sure but my understanding is that at least me, Norman and Bernd are +1 about releasing a milestone from trunk. I think what we miss is just a release manager, not the 3 +1

Re: Milestone from trunk? (Was: [server] trunk -= IMAP/Mailbox source...?)

2008-04-29 Thread Bernd Fondermann
releasing a milestone from trunk. I think what we miss is just a release manager, not the 3 +1 ;-) indeed, I am +1. Bernd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]