Re: [SharpOS Developers] Plan of action for 'merge'

2008-03-05 Thread Jonathan Dickinson
Actually, I looked at that a while back. But it is written in C++ :(... On 06/03/2008, Dennis Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have you guys looked at the PNET compiler from DotGNU? > Dennis > > *Jonathan Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > Hi All, > > Having had a HUGE discussion with

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Plan of action for 'merge'

2008-03-05 Thread Dennis Hayes
Have you guys looked at the PNET compiler from DotGNU? Dennis Jonathan Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All, Having had a HUGE discussion with SharpOS last night I came up with a pretty solid idea for merging our two codebases. Firstly, I don't think it's a good idea to m

[SharpOS Developers] Plan of action for 'merge'

2008-03-05 Thread Jonathan Dickinson
Hi All, Having had a HUGE discussion with SharpOS last night I came up with a pretty solid idea for merging our two codebases. Firstly, I don't think it's a good idea to merge OCJ directly into SharpOS right now: it will cause distractions (OCJ really needs to concentrate on making a solid compil

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> Actually, source code under a BSD-type license can be used within a GPL > project (as long as the original copyright and BSD license notice Well - not quite in most cases. GPL doesn't require the BSD attribution... so unless you somehow "combine" or modify the GPL + BSD into one... > However, I

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread phil
Chad Z. Hower wrote: > We don't aim to convince anyone. If you like BSD, join Cosmos. If you like > GPL, join SharpOS. Pretty simple IMO. Actually, source code under a BSD-type license can be used within a GPL project (as long as the original copyright and BSD license notice continues to remain)

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> Actually I'm already giving by not demanding we stick with GPL because But that's not "someone has to budge". I'm fine with you sticking to GPL - but your statement was a bit of a contradiction. > it is by far my strongest choice. If the license isn't going to be > copyleft, then this isn't wor

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> Where did you get that statistic? End-users? Programmers are not end- > users. You will probably find that 90%+ of developers use Linux. Show me *any* reputable statistic that even approaches that outrageous number please ---

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread William Lahti
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Jonathan Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dual licensing seems to have worked a few times, also, what keeps people > unhappy about LGPL? GPL with a vasectomy: I think that may be a good > compromise. All of SharpOS is currently licensed under GPLv3 with the *C

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread Jonathan Dickinson
On 05/03/2008, William Lahti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Polarize the hull plating. > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Someone has to give but you wont? :) > > Actually I'm already giving by not demanding we stick with GPL because > it i

[SharpOS Developers] Warning to SharpOS Contributors about Singularity Source Code

2008-03-05 Thread William Lahti
Singularity's source code is provided for non-commercial academic research ONLY. SharpOS is not academic, it is not research, and it is not necessarily non-commercial. The licensing is very incompatible. Being exposed to the Singularity source code, and then proceeding to contribute code to SharpO

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread Jonathan Dickinson
On 05/03/2008, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > First things first, someone has to give on licensing and I can say for > > myself at least that I'm not gonna work on a non-copyleft project. You > > Someone has to give but you wont? :) > > I think we are in the same situation

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread Jonathan Dickinson
Anything removed from your response means I generally agree. On 05/03/2008, William Lahti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh right, let's just dump all the progress we've already got and start > completely from scratch. Forgive me if I'm not a big fan of this idea. > And now on to your specific poin

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread William Lahti
Polarize the hull plating. On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Someone has to give but you wont? :) Actually I'm already giving by not demanding we stick with GPL because it is by far my strongest choice. If the license isn't going to be copyleft

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> First things first, someone has to give on licensing and I can say for > myself at least that I'm not gonna work on a non-copyleft project. You Someone has to give but you wont? :) I think we are in the same situation as before. > Secondly I'm not going to participate in a project where only

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread William Lahti
Oh right, let's just dump all the progress we've already got and start completely from scratch. Forgive me if I'm not a big fan of this idea. And now on to your specific points-- you asked for bluntness and you *got it*. But before you read my agitated responses (after all I thought this was a disc

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread Jonathan Dickinson
Not that it is a problem. I paroosed the filenames (*no* actual source code) and saw that they are .sq (probably sing#) files. I do wish they had an ISO or such for download though... On 05/03/2008, Dennis Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is under the same license as Rotor, the Microsoft

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread Dennis Hayes
This is under the same license as Rotor, the Microsoft open source version of .NET. Looking at Rotor "contaminates" you, and you cannot never commit cod eto Mono. You might want to consider banning anyone who looks at Singularity from comminting code to SharpOS. Dennis Jonathan Dic

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread Jonathan Dickinson
Hi All, Firstly, rather than saying 'stupid idea' could we rather all play the devil's advocate. Let's debate this and see what we come up with. We are all really wasting our time working on THREE projects (fyi, www.ensemble-os.org, svn.ensemble-os.org). I think it is time for us to take what we

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Source for Singularity Available

2008-03-05 Thread Sander van Rossen
The license states that "You may use, copy, reproduce, and distribute this Software for any non-commercial academic purpose". Notice the "academic" part? It states: "Some purposes which can be non-commercial academic are teaching, academic research, and personal experimentation." In other words, y