ShopTalk: Traverse City

2009-08-04 Thread Brad Smith
Tom F, I don't know if you have any golf planned for this trip, but the northern end of Michigan has many really excellent courses. Right there in Traverse City, you have a Nicklaus course and one by Tom Doak. I spent a great 10 days driving around that area 15 or so years ago and loved

ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads

2009-08-04 Thread Harry F. Schiestel
YES but it happened many years ago ... Harry From: owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com [mailto:owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Bruce Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:35 PM To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Subject: Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads Were a

Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads

2009-08-04 Thread ontargetgolf
KZG only thinks of themselves. I stop doing business with them 6 years ago. Bang is another one that I flushed down the toilet. Pat On Target Golf - Original Message - From: "Taylor Bruce" To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 11:51:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eas

Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads

2009-08-04 Thread Alan Brooks
Thinking back, I actually had two break. The first broke at the edge weld, which they replaced. The replacement broke in the middle of the face after a couple years and they were out of production by then and it was not replaced. Alan Brooks At 02:35 PM 8/4/2009 -0400, you wrote: Were any

Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads

2009-08-04 Thread Taylor Bruce
Were any of you able to get it replaced by them? -bt ___ Bee Tee Golf Bruce Taylor On Aug 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Harry F. Schiestel wrote: My son also broke a Gemini 395 in left hand at the bottom of the sole ... hfs From: owner-shopt...@mail.msen.

Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread GEORGE HUSON
Hi Robert,   Been there, done that, even have the T shirt.    There are many of us that keep an accurate handicap.  We play and practice several time a week.  Because of our age, or our ability, we can no longer hit the ball as far as we used to, or we never did drive well, or chip well. or putt

ShopTalk: Handicap - love it or hate it?

2009-08-04 Thread Harry F. Schiestel
I once asked my son who eventually got to a +1 hcp with a course record '64' what his handicap goal was for the upcoming season. He said he didn't have one. He said the better question Dad "is what is my current stroke average and what will I reduce it to", considering all game played. Tha

RE: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Tom Flanagan
I agree, but you can't say "good good"? That's agreement to waive the rules and cause for disqualification. I played SCGA and NCGA Team Match Play since about 1962 until this year, cuz I have no game any longer I was Team Captain for about 15 years, Handicap and Rules Chairman for longer than t

RE: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Tom Flanagan
Try to pay attention to what most of us are saying here. We're talking about playing with friends in a regular friendly game. For an example; I play nearly every Tuesday and Thursday with the same 6 - 8 guys. Handicaps range from 4 to 19. Regardless of the way foursomes are arranged, the low

Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads

2009-08-04 Thread Taylor Bruce
I had a 355 Gemini 1 break and now I can't get anyone to answer the phone or replay to an email. They had some great products but I could not deal with their business model. -bt ___ Bee Tee Golf Bruce Taylor On Aug 4, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Robert Devino wrote: The Gemini 2, all of

RE: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Tom Flanagan
Traverse City? Hey! I'm headed there Aug 12. My youngest son's getting hitched there on the 14th. His bride to be's family has a "cabin" there somewhere. We're having a dinner at Giovanni's Friday night. We got a room at Travelodge. Funny stuff. I found that it's nearly impossible to get there

ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads

2009-08-04 Thread Harry F. Schiestel
My son also broke a Gemini 395 in left hand at the bottom of the sole ... hfs From: owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com [mailto:owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com] On Behalf Of Alan Brooks Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:41 AM To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Subject: Re: ShopTalk:

Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread jhm
wish they were doing the wind-chill special in sunny Traverse City this summer, they'd owe me for the round. Br. The rates at the resort course were $45 or the wind-chill factor, whichever was less. We played one round for $22. It wasn't all that cold, but it was the windiest round I've e

Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Dave Tutelman
At 11:49 AM 8/4/2009, Bernie Baymiller wrote: Funny, but after 2PM our courses are all but deserted. That might end next year when we're going to a debit card payment system so the cost of a round can vary based on time of day...will probably cost more before 2PM and less after 2PM in the summe

RE: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Kevil, L H.
How is it fair, you ask? Well, here’s how. Our faculty league has an arcane set of rules, a combination of match and medal. Every year we review the results and every year we find that the low handicap players have a slight advantage over the rest. The intention is to equalize the players so tha

Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads

2009-08-04 Thread Alan Brooks
I had a Gemini 395 10.5* fail. It doesn't say "I" or "II" so I'd assume it's the "I". 1-inch long horizontal crack in the center of the club face. Classic failure. Alan Brooks At 06:04 AM 8/4/2009 -0700, you wrote: Robert or anyone, Which Gemini 460 driver head was prone to breakage, the

Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Bernie Baymiller
Tedd, Yes, max scores on a hole is the way we play here in our "old farts" group of 5-6 foursomes. Depending on the game we are playing (eg: two low net), if a player is out of a hole anyway, he puts the ball in his pocket and goes to the next hole. Handicap under 10, he gets a DB, over 10 get

Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads

2009-08-04 Thread Robert Devino
The Gemini 2, all of them broke just about and the witch knew they were going too and she sold them to you guys any way. Why any one does business with her I will never know Sincerely, Robert Devino 14252 Delano St. Van Nuys, Ca. 91401 (818) 908-1691 Fr

Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Robert Devino
How in gods name is it fair to the guy that goes out and practices 2 to three times a week that he has to give strokes to a guy that shows up at the course on tournament day with out having practiced for a month and the guy that put the work in to become a scratch golfer has to give the slacky s

Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Robert Devino
If your playing for money then be a man (just an expression ladies) If you don't have the game then go practice some more. The whole handicap system is unfair to scratch players to begin with! It scews the game to begin with. On top of scewing the game most courses don't keep their course se

RE: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Childers, Tedd A
FYI, "gimmees" or conceded putts/holes are perfectly legal in match play, and those rounds are required to be posted for handicap purposes. The handicap system has specific rules for match play and conceded putts/holes, stating that "the most likely score" is to be posted for any conceded hole.

RE: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Dave Tutelman
At 01:55 AM 8/4/2009, Tom Flanagan wrote: Oh, come on; You're playing with your friends. One is a 4 handicapper, you're a 12, an other guy's a 14 and a fourth is a scratch player. Are you seriously suggesting that all play at scratch? The way it works is the low handicapper plays at scratch an

ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads

2009-08-04 Thread Don M
Robert or anyone, Which Gemini 460 driver head was prone to breakage, the "I" or the "II"? -Don M -- Shoptalk ** Sponsored by the new Aldila Voodoo. Learn more at http://aldilavoodoo.com/

Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Don M
Maybe he's talking about playing for real money, not funsie stuff among buddies. If I was playing for real money, I would not trust anyone's handicap either. At least not with the US handicapping system. -Don M --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Chris Stricker wrote: > From: Chris Stricker > Subject: Re

Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Chris Stricker
Exactly why I don't play for money. Uptight low handicappers who think we're all equal. - Original Message - From: Robert Devino To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 When you play for money, you pl

Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009

2009-08-04 Thread Vectorgolf1
Well, Duh, that's what stroke madness is all about, thanks for saying it. It allows an 18 to press a 1. The only thing that seems unfair is the side bets. For example if your playing to a 10 off the low guy, and you are also betting sandys (par from a bunker), barkys (par after hitting a tree),