Re: [sidr] Controlling routing (was Re: WG Chair Affiliation)

2009-09-17 Thread Sandra Murphy
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009, Joel M. Halpern wrote: Let me start by saying a couple of positive things: 1) In order to even start on securing this space, we are going to need some sort of certificates 2) As far as I can tell, in order for the certificates to make any sense they have got to be

Re: [sidr] Controlling routing (was Re: WG Chair Affiliation)

2009-09-17 Thread Sandra Murphy
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Curtis Villamizar wrote: In message 48da8f07-cc0a-4cfa-9153-056585483...@virtualized.org David Conrad writes: [.. snip, sorry ..] Is this scenario accurate? I haven't a clue. :-) I'm out of the layer 8 loop. My understanding is that an entity with a very large

Re: [sidr] Controlling routing (was Re: WG Chair Affiliation)

2009-09-17 Thread Andrei Robachevsky
Stephen Kent wrote on 16-09-2009 17:53: [...] Statements about perceived trust in TAs are useful in PKIs that anoint 3rd parties as TAs, independent of real world authorization. The RPLI is not such a PKI. Instead it seeks to have the real world entities that manage allocation of resources

Re: [sidr] Controlling routing (was Re: WG Chair Affiliation)

2009-09-17 Thread David Conrad
Sandy, On Sep 17, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Sandra Murphy wrote: I recognize that there is an fear that this system somehow puts ISPs under someone's control. I would answer that there is not any more control than is already the case. I suppose it depends on what people are going to do with RPKI.

Re: [sidr] Controlling routing (was Re: WG Chair Affiliation)

2009-09-17 Thread Sandra Murphy
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, David Conrad wrote: Sandy, On Sep 17, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Sandra Murphy wrote: I recognize that there is an fear that this system somehow puts ISPs under someone's control. I would answer that there is not any more control than is already the case. I suppose it

Re: [sidr] Controlling routing (was Re: WG Chair Affiliation)

2009-09-17 Thread Terry Manderson
Hi Steve, On 17/09/2009, at 1:53 AM, Stephen Kent wrote: In the local TA management scheme I described, an RP gets to specify the set of resources it believes is associated with a given key (cert). The software enables an RP to assert what it knows to be true, overriding what the knows

Re: [sidr] Controlling routing (was Re: WG Chair Affiliation)

2009-09-17 Thread Terry Manderson
Sandy and David, On 18/09/2009, at 5:25 AM, Sandra Murphy wrote: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, David Conrad wrote: Sandy, On Sep 17, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Sandra Murphy wrote: I recognize that there is an fear that this system somehow puts ISPs under someone's control. I would answer that there is

Re: [sidr] request to open document issue tracking

2009-09-17 Thread Terry Manderson
Chairs, apologies for nagging, but this really is a good idea. Can this be implemented? Cheers Terry On 11/09/09 10:50 AM, Terry Manderson terry.mander...@icann.org wrote: I second that motion! Terry On 11/09/09 10:45 AM, George Michaelson g...@apnic.net wrote: Dear Working group