Re: [sidr] agenda for virtual meeting Mar 24

2012-03-19 Thread George, Wes
Was the WG consulted on scheduling this virtual meeting and I missed the message? The first message I see on the matter is the announcement of the meeting on 3/7. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm traveling to Paris the day it's scheduled (actually ON the plane during the meeting), and

Re: [sidr] agenda for virtual meeting Mar 24

2012-03-19 Thread Tim Bruijnzeels
Hi WG, and Sandy as co-chair, On 19 Mar 2012, at 15:11, George, Wes wrote: Was the WG consulted on scheduling this virtual meeting and I missed the message? +1... I may have missed something, but I don't remember this... In any case I can not attend, not even remotely, Saturday. Is there

Re: [sidr] agenda for virtual meeting Mar 24

2012-03-19 Thread Eric Osterweil
On Mar 19, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: Hi WG, and Sandy as co-chair, On 19 Mar 2012, at 15:11, George, Wes wrote: Was the WG consulted on scheduling this virtual meeting and I missed the message? +1... I may have missed something, but I don't remember this... In any

[sidr] SIDR Interim 24/March is CANCELLED

2012-03-19 Thread Stewart Bryant
The announcement of the SIDR virtual interim failed to reach iesg-secret...@ietf.org within the required two weeks notice. Additionally the agenda was published on Sunday 17th March and thus failed to meet the requirement that The agenda must be published at least one week before the call or

[sidr] SIDR Interim 24/March is CANCELLED

2012-03-19 Thread IETF Secretariat
The announcement of the SIDR virtual interim failed to reach iesg-secret...@ietf.org within the required two weeks notice. Additionally the agenda was published on Sunday 17th March and thus failed to meet the requirement that The agenda must be published at least one week before the call or

Re: [sidr] route leaks message to IDR

2012-03-19 Thread Stephen Kent
Brian, ... That is not correct, i.e. you misunderstand. The desired outcome is that sender/receiver _negotiate_ what is or is not to be sent, and the protocol merely enforces what has been agreed upon. The automatic enforcement of this high-level policy, is what stops route leaks from being

Re: [sidr] possible additional meeting times

2012-03-19 Thread Jakob Heitz
Monday works for me. Friday not. -- Jakob Heitz. -Original Message- From: sidr-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:sidr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Murphy, Sandra Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:37 PM To: sidr@ietf.org Subject: [sidr] possible additional meeting times The routing ADs have

Re: [sidr] possible additional meeting times

2012-03-19 Thread Stephen Kent
At 9:37 PM + 3/19/12, Murphy, Sandra wrote: The routing ADs have suggested that sidr could use the cancelled EAI and/or the cancelled CODEC slot to make up for the cancelled virtual meeting. EAI was to meet 1300-1500 Afternoon Session I on Monday March 26. CODEC was to meet 1120-1220

Re: [sidr] possible additional meeting times

2012-03-19 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi, The virtual meeting agenda was supposed to take 6h (+2h lunch break). May I ask how below proposed time slots will make up for the cancelled virtual meeting if one is 2h and the other one is just 1h ? Many thx, R. The routing ADs have suggested that sidr could use the cancelled EAI

Re: [sidr] replies needed quickly RE: possible additional meeting times

2012-03-19 Thread Brian Dickson
Given that there is not a lot of lead time before this, *and* that the IDR meeting is immediate before this slot... And that there is a moratorium on -00 IDs (meaning any material under discussion is limited to already-submitted items)... Discussing the reqs doc then is fine. Perhaps the time

Re: [sidr] route leaks message to IDR

2012-03-19 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi Brian, The desired outcome is that sender/receiver _negotiate_ what is or is not to be sent, and the protocol merely enforces what has been agreed upon. The automatic enforcement of this high-level policy, is what stops route leaks from being initiated or propagated. The policy is still

Re: [sidr] replies needed quickly RE: possible additional meeting times

2012-03-19 Thread Murphy, Sandra
I was just asking whether people thought that they coule make the additional time slot. From the tone of your message, you think you can. Thanks for the suggestion of choosing topics and the tie to idr, particularly the route leaks question. --Sandy, speaking as wg co-chair

Re: [sidr] route leaks message to IDR

2012-03-19 Thread Brian Dickson
Hi, Robert, The problem being solved is, that the current methodology places the entire onus on not allowing route leaks, on the immediate upstream provider - who may be small and inexperienced. What is being solved, in particular, is the ability to identify and block route-leaks when one is

Re: [sidr] route leaks message to IDR

2012-03-19 Thread Sriram, Kotikalapudi
The model I have long (30 years) employed is that if the secruity checks succeed, the protocol should operate as before (i.e., w/o the added secruity mechanisms), because the environment is seen as benign. ---snip--- I'd like to think that the BGPSEC mechanisms are being developed in a way

Re: [sidr] replies needed quickly RE: possible additional meeting times

2012-03-19 Thread George, Wes
Yes to either/both Thanks, Wes -Original Message- From: sidr-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:sidr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Murphy, Sandra Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:58 PM To: sidr@ietf.org Subject: [sidr] replies needed quickly RE: possible additional meeting times One

Re: [sidr] replies needed quickly RE: possible additional meeting times

2012-03-19 Thread Terry Manderson
Monday is my preference. Friday clashes with other work. Cheers Terry On 20/03/12 7:58 AM, Murphy, Sandra sandra.mur...@sparta.com wrote: One important point. The routing AD needs to know the decision by COB UTC time on Tuesday (tomorrow). So replies are needed quickly. --Sandy