Re: [sidr] additions and changes to agenda on Friday

2012-11-09 Thread Randy Bush
>> no need. this is object based security. rama and hanuman have tals and >> validate. having every cache in the world hit the CAs is not gonna >> scale. > Yes, perhaps we need a different architecture and transport protocol. measurement has shown that rsync is about as good as you're gonna do

[sidr] still need minutes taker

2012-11-09 Thread Murphy, Sandra
We still need a minute taker for today's session. Please do volunteer. --Sandy, speaking as co-chair ___ sidr mailing list sidr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr

[sidr] New draft on separating validation from object retrieval

2012-11-09 Thread Tim Bruijnzeels
Hi all, I have already had some informal discussions about this and decided to write our ideas up in a informational draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-validation-local-cache-00.txt I will do a short talk on this during today's sidr session to explain the backg

Re: [sidr] additions and changes to agenda on Friday

2012-11-09 Thread Tim Bruijnzeels
Hi, On Nov 9, 2012, at 4:07 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> no need. this is object based security. rama and hanuman have tals and >>> validate. having every cache in the world hit the CAs is not gonna >>> scale. >> Yes, perhaps we need a different architecture and transport protocol. > > measurem

[sidr] ARIN RPA presentation - Comments from ARIN

2012-11-09 Thread John Curran
Sandra - Regarding http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/85/slides/slides-85-sidr-14.pdf to be presentated later today: Page 10 - > Potential Impact > > • Operators have said to me “I don’t want to run anything. I just want to > click on a website somewhere” > > • There are already tools/sites that

Re: [sidr] ARIN RPA presentation - Comments from ARIN

2012-11-09 Thread Murphy, Sandra
wrt: I'd like it made clear during the presentation that indeed a strict reading of the current ARIN RPA would disallow such applications, but as noted earlier in this list, ARIN is quite willing to provide waiver for such statistic, status, and summary uses. If we can find a way to safely pro

Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki-grandparenting

2012-11-09 Thread Alexey Melnikov
On 08/11/2012 05:53, Byron Ellacott wrote: Hi Chris, On 08/11/2012, at 3:04 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Byron Ellacott wrote: Hi Chris, When did the WG reach consensus on adopting this draft? when it spent ~50 mesasages discussing it? it seems that, even

[sidr] Invalids in the wild (Was Re: additions and changes to agenda on Friday)

2012-11-09 Thread Arturo Servin
Related to our presentation today, if you are curious about why we have a lot of invalids: IPv4 http://www.labs.lacnic.net/rpkitools/looking_glass/rest/invalid/cidr/0.0.0.0/0/ For v6 our app does not support to query all the invalids, but you can check with something like: http:

Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki-grandparenting

2012-11-09 Thread Brian Dickson
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > On 08/11/2012 05:53, Byron Ellacott wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> >> On 08/11/2012, at 3:04 PM, Christopher Morrow >> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Byron Ellacott wrote: >>> Hi Chris, When did the WG reach conse

[sidr] Reviews of draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-rtr-protocol-mib-02.txt needed

2012-11-09 Thread Alexey Melnikov
Hi WG, Can I please get at least 3 people (other than editors or WG chairs) that can reply that they looked at the document and it looks Ok? Saying that there are some issues with the document is also fine. I can't really send it to our responsible AD without any reviews. Thanks, Alexey

Re: [sidr] Reviews of draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-rtr-protocol-mib-02.txt needed

2012-11-09 Thread Matthias Waehlisch
Hi Alexey, I read the document and have no objections. Cheers matthias -- Matthias Waehlisch . Freie Universitaet Berlin, Inst. fuer Informatik, AG CST . Takustr. 9, D-14195 Berlin, Germany .. mailto:waehli...@ieee.org .. http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~waehl :. Also: http://inet.cpt.haw-h

Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki-grandparenting

2012-11-09 Thread Arturo Servin
Brian, Thanks for the clarification, very very useful. Regards, as On 09/11/2012 11:42, Brian Dickson wrote: > > > > > I'd like to note that in general, WG acceptance processes are a critical > part of IETF processes. > > In particular, the WG consensus on adoption, is the one crit

Re: [sidr] Reviews of draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-rtr-protocol-mib-02.txt needed

2012-11-09 Thread Carlos M. martinez
I've looked at it, have no objections. On 11/9/2012 11:43 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Hi WG, > Can I please get at least 3 people (other than editors or WG chairs) > that can reply that they looked at the document and it looks Ok? Saying > that there are some issues with the document is also fine

Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki-grandparenting

2012-11-09 Thread Andy Newton
On 11/9/12 11:15 AM, "Alexey Melnikov" wrote: >I think WG chairs (collectively) dropped the ball here: 3 of us have >discussed the acceptance call a couple of times. We would like to >apologize for sending inconsistent messages. > >After talking to various people this week, it looks like the best

Re: [sidr] Reviews of draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-rtr-protocol-mib-02.txt needed

2012-11-09 Thread Sonalker, Anuja
Hi Alexey, I looked at this document and have no objections with it. Anuja -Original Message- From: sidr-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:sidr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexey Melnikov Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:44 AM To: sidr wg Subject: [sidr] Reviews of draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-rt

Re: [sidr] The need for SIDR - Google limited outage today due to bogus route announcement

2012-11-09 Thread Russ White
> maybe? folk have to see a benefit to any of this in order for it to > move into production use. if as a first step resource certification > work gets me better filtering and/or more people filtering because > more reliable filtering is possible, good. > > eventually though, people will realize

Re: [sidr] The need for SIDR - Google limited outage today due to bogus route announcement

2012-11-09 Thread Russ White
> There might be a #4, but I imagine what it is. -- insert "can't" in the appropriate place. Fingers faster than brain problem. :-) Russ -- <>< riwh...@verisign.com ru...@riw.us ___ sidr mailing list sidr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listi