Re: [sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation

2012-04-01 Thread Eric Osterweil
Hey Rob, One more meta-comment on this thread: we (as designers) should not expect to be prescribing exactly how operators will run their systems. Here in the very early stages we are seeing the early adopters deploy in ways that make _their_ operations easy. imho, this is always going to be

Re: [sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation

2012-04-01 Thread Eric Osterweil
On Mar 29, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Rob Austein wrote: > At Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:33:24 -0400, Danny McPherson wrote: >> >> i don't think the rsync scale issues surprise anyone that was paying >> attention. If we're already considering new architectures, >> substrates, et al., here perhaps we shouldn't

Re: [sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation

2012-03-30 Thread Rob Austein
While I will admit to some astonishment that the following explanation could possibly be news to long-time participants in this WG (given how much time I've spent whining about this issue over the last five years or so both in public and in private), let me quote from the slides: * How efficie

Re: [sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation

2012-03-30 Thread Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
Hi, > On 29 Mar 2012, at 12:04, Rob Austein wrote: > >> In my opinion the RIRs are currently using >> rsync badly, given the way they've chosen to set up their >> repositories. > If you provide us with some guidelines on how you believe the repositories should be organized, who knows, we may

Re: [sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation

2012-03-30 Thread Arturo Servin
Rob, I think it is a bit premature to conclude that. Under the same data set I could conclude that your network, validator and research methodology is broken. But that is not the point, the point is that we may have a problem, let's try to solve it and to validate how bad it is.

Re: [sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation

2012-03-29 Thread Danny McPherson
> At Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:33:24 -0400, Danny McPherson wrote: > > If you're talking about moving all of the existing SIDR protocols to > Experimental, that's a cheap shot and you know it. I didn't say that. > If you're just talking about RPKI over BitTorrent, the BitTorrent > experiment was just t

Re: [sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation

2012-03-29 Thread Murphy, Sandra
lling here. --Sandy From: sidr-boun...@ietf.org [sidr-boun...@ietf.org] on behalf of Danny McPherson [da...@tcb.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:33 PM To: sidr wg list Subject: Re: [sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation If we're

Re: [sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation

2012-03-29 Thread Rob Austein
At Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:33:24 -0400, Danny McPherson wrote: > > i don't think the rsync scale issues surprise anyone that was paying > attention. If we're already considering new architectures, > substrates, et al., here perhaps we shouldn't be so quick on the > trigger for Standards Track work an

Re: [sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation

2012-03-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Danny McPherson wrote: > > i don't think the rsync scale issues surprise anyone that was paying > attention.  If we're already considering new architectures, substrates, et > al., here perhaps we shouldn't be so quick on the trigger for Standards Track > work an

Re: [sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation

2012-03-28 Thread Danny McPherson
i don't think the rsync scale issues surprise anyone that was paying attention. If we're already considering new architectures, substrates, et al., here perhaps we shouldn't be so quick on the trigger for Standards Track work and move this and related "investigation" to the IRTF, or at least e

[sidr] Slides for "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation

2012-03-26 Thread Rob Austein
For those who didn't get to see the end of the "RPKI Over BitTorrent" presentation in today's SIDR meeting, the full slide deck is available at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-sidr-9.pdf and should be relatively self-explanatory. _