Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread David Lyon
> The best place I think to be looking for opportunity is conceiving and developing applications (either software or hybrid projects with plug and play hardware) that are only possible with 50Mbps++ connection speeds. Bonus points if it can be geographically contained within the AU network (prefera

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread David Lyon
you miss the point - it's no longer just a copper telephone system. It's > operating way beyond the original intent - carrying analog voice signals. We > don't need a new "phone system" we need a new network designed at the start > to be capable of carrying data - that data could be voice, internet

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread Andrew Tunnell-Jones
On 30/12/2010, at 11:07 PM, Warren Seen wrote: > The best place I think to be looking for opportunity is conceiving and > developing applications (either software or hybrid projects with plug and > play hardware) that are only possible with 50Mbps++ connection speeds. Bonus > points if it can

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread Warren Seen
> > > So it *is* a replacement for the copper telephone system of the last 80+ > years. you miss the point - it's no longer just a copper telephone system. It's operating way beyond the original intent - carrying analog voice signals. We don't need a new "phone system" we need a new network de

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread David Lyon
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:05 AM, James Purser wrote: > > You're actually trying to compare re-wiring your house to rewiring a > national network? That's like saying "I sail in a dinghy so I know it can't > be that expensive to build an air craft carrier". > Australia makes great boats and sells

[SiliconBeach] Re: A collection of industry reports and whitepapers (humble self-promotion)

2010-12-30 Thread Malcolm Lambert
Nice one Max Iqaas is a great name and anything to stop 1000 people doing the same thing to search for the same report is very welcome. I hope you get lots of contributors as there's a lot of relevant stuff out there but it's buried or obscured. I'll have a look at my recent research and send you

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread James Purser
Umm seriously? You're actually trying to compare re-wiring your house to rewiring a national network? That's like saying "I sail in a dinghy so I know it can't be that expensive to build an air craft carrier". It's not just a case of replacing the cables, you've got to upgrade the termination poi

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread David Lyon
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Warren Seen wrote: > You are right that NBN is replacing the existing copper "last mile" > network, but that's no longer a "telephone system" so calling it an upgrade > to that is not appropriate. Telstra's copper phone line business is losing > money year on ye

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread Warren Seen
David, I'm not really sure where you're getting your information on the NBN, but you seem to be missing a few facts. You are right that NBN is replacing the existing copper "last mile" network, but that's no longer a "telephone system" so calling it an upgrade to that is not appropriate. Tels

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread James Purser
The problem is that we're not world leading with the NBN, we're world catching up. While the idea of a National Fibre Network over such vast distances is new and novel, the underlying technologies are not. If we want to wring the dollars out of the NBN we have to do the work ourselves. Whether its

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread David Lyon
Oh I'm very much *for* the technology.. In fact, if the NBN is simply a marketing term for replacing Australia's copper telephone system with a fibre-optic one then I don't have any objection. If so it shouldn't be called a broadband network when it is really a telephone system upgrade maybe

[SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread Ryan
"Mere speculation..." why bother. Seriously. On Dec 30, 4:26 pm, David Lyon wrote: > Hi James, > > Just a guestimate. Chances are project will run overbudget. > > So instead of costing $40B for the whole thing, it may end up costing $60B > > Divide Australia into its population centres and you

[SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread Ryan
It is so sad to read a statement from someone so ignorant to the benefits of a FTTH network now and well into the future. 2 minutes is all it should take anyone with access to Google to learn/ understand why there is simply no other technology with anywhere near the capabilities of fiber optic. S

[SiliconBeach] Re: National Broadband Network Comments..

2010-12-30 Thread Ryan
LMAO... brilliant stuff! On Dec 28, 4:12 pm, Pete Cooper wrote: > Could not resist sharing this... > > After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year, British scientists > found traces of copper wire dating back 200 years and came to the > conclusion that their ancestors had a telephone network