Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> "(2) Nothing in sub-clause (a) of clause (1) shall affect the > operation of any existing law, or prevent the State from making any > law, in so far as such law imposes reasonable restrictions on the > exercise of the right conferred by the said sub-clause in the > interests of the security of th

Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread Gautam John
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Madhu Menon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is the restriction placed on "free" speech: > That needs to be changed first. You don't suppose there might have been some sort of logic behind this at the time it was framed? It, by all means, must change with in ste

Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread Madhu Menon
Biju Chacko wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I certainly want to see art that is critical, even disrespectful of religion, and I want to participate in the resulting dialog. Suppressing the expression obviously does not suppress the thought. The

Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread Biju Chacko
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I certainly want to see art that is critical, even disrespectful of > religion, and I want to participate in the resulting dialog. > Suppressing the expression obviously does not suppress the thought. The sad fact is th

Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread Charles Haynes
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:02 PM, ss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles - I am going to say (jokingly of course) that "You asked for it. This > is a long and detailed reply. Sorry. Thanks for the long and detailed reply! > On Thursday 15 May 2008 5:02:35 am Charles Haynes wrote: >> > I believe

Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> sexual "mother figure" relationship that people have with Durga. It is > as vulgar as painting a moustache and beard on the Mona Lisa. Marcel Duchamp in other words. And criticism is entirely different from suppression. I can (and will) say that MF Husain is a senile jackass with pretensions t

Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread ss
Charles - I am going to say (jokingly of course) that "You asked for it. This is a long and detailed reply. Sorry. On Thursday 15 May 2008 5:02:35 am Charles Haynes wrote: > > I believe societies have ways of putting fingers into sensitive places > > in a way that judges and governments cannot

Re: [silk] The Great Firewall

2008-05-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> Can somebody who knows more comment? Having tried to ssh from Dubai, yes. That's quite likely.

Re: [silk] The Great Firewall

2008-05-14 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Gautam John wrote, [on 5/14/2008 9:55 PM]: China's Great Firewall is crude, slapdash, and surprisingly easy to breach. Here's why it's so effective anyway. From what I've heard (including from members of this list) the firewall(s?) in the Middle East are quite technologically sophisticated.

Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Charles Haynes wrote: > Do you see it as relevant to MF Hussain? I certainly do. How do you > feel about the works of Chris Ofili or Andres Serrano? Does art that > refers to religion need always be respectful? Is Ofili's case, it's > clear that respect is in the eye of the beholder. I'm not lump

Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread Charles Haynes
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles Haynes [15/05/08 09:32 +1000]: >> >> Out of curiosity, what's your opinion of Gustave Courbet's "L 'Origine >> du Monde?" > > Given that primitive answers to that question mostly involved sex .. I > think

Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Charles Haynes [15/05/08 09:32 +1000]: Out of curiosity, what's your opinion of Gustave Courbet's "L 'Origine du Monde?" Given that primitive answers to that question mostly involved sex .. I think the egyptian explanation for the milky way was Ra masturbating and scattering his semen around th

Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread Perry E. Metzger
"Charles Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Out of curiosity, what's your opinion of Gustave Courbet's "L 'Origine > du Monde?" I saw the original at the Met in New York a couple of weeks ago. It attracts a crowd, even today. Perry

Re: [silk] On Intolerance

2008-05-14 Thread Charles Haynes
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:17 AM, ss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 12 May 2008 10:16:56 am Gautam John wrote: > > [1] http://www.indianexpress.com/story/307248.html > > Quote from the above: > > >"In a free and democratic society, tolerance is vital. This is true > >especially in large

Re: [silk] On Innovation in India

2008-05-14 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Speaking as a foreign entrepreneur... "Gautam John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > http://seekingalpha.com/article/76511-where-are-indias-innovative-companies-products-and-solutions > > According to the article, the missing ingredients required to > jump-start India's innovation ecosystem are; ..

Re: [silk] Mortgage Mess

2008-05-14 Thread Madhu M. Kurup
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Re: [silk] The Great Firewall

2008-05-14 Thread Thaths
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > China's Great Firewall is crude, slapdash, and surprisingly easy to > breach. Here's why it's so effective anyway. > > by James Fallows > "The Connection Has Been Reset" > > Illustration by John Ritter Please cite your sourc

[silk] The Great Firewall

2008-05-14 Thread Gautam John
China's Great Firewall is crude, slapdash, and surprisingly easy to breach. Here's why it's so effective anyway. by James Fallows "The Connection Has Been Reset" Illustration by John Ritter Many foreigners who come to China for the Olympics will use the Internet to tell people back home what the

Re: [silk] Mortgage Mess

2008-05-14 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know how far this is true though > > http://docs.google.com/TeamPresent?docid=ddp4zq7n_0cdjsr4fn&skipauth=true&pli=1 I listened to the podcast of the latest edition of the radio show This American Life yesterday.

Re: [silk] Crazy English in China

2008-05-14 Thread ss
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 8:23:54 am J. Andrew Rogers wrote: > English reach. I can easily imagine that some kinds of prattle in > some languages easily exceed English by volume, but that is only > slightly related to the total value of the content in the language. With respect (sir) your idea of