Re: [silk] nettime US prof behind EVM study deported on arrival

2010-12-20 Thread underscore
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: Paper is self-documenting. It creates its own documentation trail. Paper is offline, so it can't be scrambled. Paper is distributed over multiple independant physically securable compartments. People understand sealed urns,

[silk] Close the Washington Monument

2010-12-20 Thread Biju Chacko
http://bit.ly/gx7cDA An empty Washington Monument would serve as a constant reminder to those on Capitol Hill that they are afraid of the terrorists and what they could do. They're afraid that by speaking honestly about the impossibility of attaining absolute security or the inevitability of

Re: [silk] nettime US prof behind EVM study deported on arrival

2010-12-20 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:54:09AM +0300, underscore wrote: All the above could be true ... but the problem in most developing countries is the word people -- who have greater involvement in a paper based process ... there are enough documented rigged elections Technology doesn't help with

Re: [silk] Close the Washington Monument

2010-12-20 Thread Sean Doyle
This is a good idea but doesn't really go far enough. They need to recover the outside of the monument in some reflective material so they can project ads on the side. After a generation people will think of this as large HD TV and will lose its iconic status. It can then be safely moved to

Re: [silk] nettime US prof behind EVM study deported on arrival

2010-12-20 Thread Pranesh Prakash
On Monday 20 December 2010 07:58 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: People who design such systems can attack them. And do it so cleverly, you won't realize until the entire vote is stolen. And you won't even be able to prove it's been stolen. Eugen, can you imagine a system that is vulnerable to

Re: [silk] nettime US prof behind EVM study deported on arrival

2010-12-20 Thread Pranesh Prakash
On Monday 20 December 2010 10:48 AM, J. Alfred Prufrock wrote: I've run one election with EVMs and been an observer in 3 more. It would be good to have views from JAP, Eugen, and others on each of the attacks demonstrated in Hari K. Prasad, et al., 'Security Analysis of India’s Electronic

[silk] The Spamularity

2010-12-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
An interesting speculation from Charlie Stross (who needs to be on silk) - I've seen versions of this idea before, but this is probably the best articulated. excerpted from http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/12/its-made-out-of-meat.html Spam is everywhere. About 92-95% of all

[silk] Assume Goodwill.

2010-12-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
For newer members: the most important rule on silklist is assume goodwill. Here's one reason why that makes sense. Udhay http://ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/story.php?id=8063 Oct. 27, 2010 Friends with cognitive benefits: Mental function improves after certain kinds of socializing ANN ARBOR,

Re: [silk] nettime US prof behind EVM study deported on arrival

2010-12-20 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:27:52PM +0530, Pranesh Prakash wrote: Eugen, can you imagine a system that is vulnerable to (undetectable) attack, but because of (external, non-software) processes in place, is Why having an electronic system in place, then, if you're already using non-software

Re: [silk] nettime US prof behind EVM study deported on arrival

2010-12-20 Thread J. Alfred Prufrock
What I've understood of the discussion so far - 1 - EVMs are not perfect 2 - therefore electoral systems using EVMs are not perfect 3 - systems NOT using EVMs are not perfect either; it is a matter of testing / perception / context as to which system is closer to perfection I know this is

Re: [silk] nettime US prof behind EVM study deported on arrival

2010-12-20 Thread Heather Madrone
This is a fascinating discussion, and Yet Another Reason I Am Grateful that Udhay Invited Me to Join Silklist. On 12/20/10 6:28 AM December 20, 2010, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:54:09AM +0300, underscore wrote: If you have a well audit sealed electronic voting box

Re: [silk] The Spamularity

2010-12-20 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Udhay Shankar N [20/12/10 22:59 +0530]: An interesting speculation from Charlie Stross (who needs to be on silk) - I've seen versions of this idea before, but this is probably the best articulated. I would love it, if AI was the only way spam was filtered :) Interesting idea though, thank you.

[silk] Kindle readers?

2010-12-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
From a journo friend of mine. Any suggestions? hope all is well. so far so good here. would you know anyone in bangalore who read books only on kindle, i-pad, etc? it's for an article. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Re: [silk] Kindle readers?

2010-12-20 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: From a journo friend of mine. Any suggestions? hope all is well. so far so good here. would you know anyone in bangalore who read books only on kindle, i-pad, etc?  it's for an article. The 'only on' clause is

Re: [silk] Kindle readers?

2010-12-20 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Udhay Shankar N [21/12/10 08:57 +0530]: From a journo friend of mine. Any suggestions? hope all is well. so far so good here. would you know anyone in bangalore who read books only on kindle, i-pad, etc? it's for an article. I dont shun regular books and got a closet full of them. But yes

Re: [silk] nettime US prof behind EVM study deported on arrival

2010-12-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On 21-Dec-10 3:31 AM, Heather Madrone wrote: This is a fascinating discussion, and Yet Another Reason I Am Grateful that Udhay Invited Me to Join Silklist. I am finding it fascinating too - not least because of the geographical distribution of the participants in this thread. I can see

Re: [silk] Kindle readers?

2010-12-20 Thread Sumant Srivathsan
I've been 80-20 in favour of the Kindle for the better part of this year. That's a problem for me because I do have a rather large stash of unread deadtrees on my shelf (which is almost completely out of space). Also, I do most of my reading on my commute to work, and the Kindle is way better in

Re: [silk] Kindle readers?

2010-12-20 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Sumant Srivathsan suma...@gmail.comwrote: I can see myself giving up printed books for good, once the inventory and pricing of e-books catch up with my expectations. That last part of the sentence, after the comma anyone at all who is *exclusively* an

Re: [silk] Kindle readers?

2010-12-20 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: From a journo friend of mine. Any suggestions? hope all is well. so far so good here. would you know anyone in bangalore who read books only on kindle, i-pad, etc? it's for an article. I read on the Kindle, but I'm

Re: [silk] Kindle readers?

2010-12-20 Thread Venkatesh Hariharan
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, gabin kattukaran gkattuka...@gmail.comwrote: I have a similar experience. Have been reading on electronic devices for several years but don't see it completely replacing the dead tree collection. I'm sure I still prefer paper for the books that I want to hold