Re: [silk] Meet up

2013-08-21 Thread Chetan Nagendra
Sorry I missed the thread- when is the meetup? Thanks! Chetan

Re: [silk] Meet up

2013-08-21 Thread Surabhi Tomar
> > > Will definitely provide guac, in abundance. > > Guacamole! I am a 'maybe'. Surabhi

Re: [silk] Meet up

2013-08-21 Thread Andy Deemer
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Shoba Narayan wrote: > >> Clarion request for Andy's guacamole please-- and the mango salsa, and >> regular?? :) > > Paging Dr Deemer! Will definitely provide guac, in abundance. Will find a proper replacement for mango salsa, with us now living in a mangoless t

Re: [silk] Meet up

2013-08-21 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Shoba Narayan wrote: > Udhay: do you want to doodle this? It's a great way for a 'show of hands' > type thing. > I'm in > What's this? > Clarion request for Andy's guacamole please-- and the mango salsa, and > regular?? :) > Will help you make it if need be >

[silk] Meet up

2013-08-21 Thread Shoba Narayan
> > > -- > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: >> Consolidating responses onlist and offlist. Show of hands from those who >> haven't responded yet please. >> >> On 19-Aug-13 6:21 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: >>> Current confirmed attendees: >>> >>

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-21 Thread Dave Kumar
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > Groklaw has decided to shut shop. > > > http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/02152224249/more-nsa-spying-fallout-groklaw-shutting-down.shtml > > Thoughts? > Seems a tad overwrought as far as reactions go, but to each their own. Anyw

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-21 Thread SS
On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 14:31 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > If you embrace the system then there cannot be any subterfuge. Technically yes. Subterfuge would be a criminal act. > Forget the criminals. No. Criminals are important here. Only an intention to be a criminal would make one attempt sub

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 09:22:47AM +0530, SS wrote: > None of this is new. George Orwell predicted it. It happened in Stalin's > Russia, and China has been well into this for decades. The current capability is completely new. Many misunderstand Vernor Vinge to be a science fiction author. Realit

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-21 Thread Badri Natarajan
On 21 Aug 2013, at 09:33, Bonobashi wrote: > No right to privacy yet, anywhere, but it has been argued in India that it > exists. The leagles would know, surely. The Supreme Court of India has held that there is a Fundamental (Constitutional) Right to privacy arising out of Article 21's guara

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-21 Thread Dave Long
... accept surveillance, embrace it, and set up the mechanism for subterfuge. Only that route can allow creative ways of spooking the system to emerge. cf Russell, Eric Frank, "... And Then There Were None", 1951 In practice, after a certain scale on this planet one is far more likely to wind