On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 01:26:20PM +0100, Alaric Snell-Pym wrote:
1. Sousveillance [1] is one of the best hopes of not falling into
dystopia. Big Brother is scary only until the point that everyone starts
looking back.
Sousveillance interests me, too. For a start, it offers some obvious
On 20/08/13 17:06, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet
is over.
Thoughts?
Darknets. What we cypherpunks have been saying last two decades.
I have two main
On 20-Aug-13 10:57 PM, Dave Long wrote:
Steganets (none of you has ever seen a dead donkey) might be a little
less obvious than darknets (and the normally abysmal S/N ratio of social
networks may actually provide decent channel bandwidth?)
Interesting example of a darknet:
... accept surveillance, embrace it, and set up the
mechanism for subterfuge. Only that route can allow creative ways of
spooking the system to emerge.
cf Russell, Eric Frank, ... And Then There Were None, 1951
In practice, after a certain scale on this planet one is far more
likely to wind
On 21 Aug 2013, at 09:33, Bonobashi bonoba...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
No right to privacy yet, anywhere, but it has been argued in India that it
exists. The leagles would know, surely.
The Supreme Court of India has held that there is a Fundamental
(Constitutional) Right to privacy arising out
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 09:22:47AM +0530, SS wrote:
None of this is new. George Orwell predicted it. It happened in Stalin's
Russia, and China has been well into this for decades.
The current capability is completely new. Many misunderstand
Vernor Vinge to be a science fiction author. Reality
On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 14:31 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
If you embrace the system then there cannot be any subterfuge.
Technically yes. Subterfuge would be a criminal act.
Forget the criminals.
No. Criminals are important here. Only an intention to be a criminal
would make one attempt
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
Groklaw has decided to shut shop.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/02152224249/more-nsa-spying-fallout-groklaw-shutting-down.shtml
Thoughts?
Seems a tad overwrought as far as reactions go, but to each their
Groklaw has decided to shut shop.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/02152224249/more-nsa-spying-fallout-groklaw-shutting-down.shtml
A rather melancholy take, from elsewhere:
And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet
is over.
Thoughts?
Udhay
--
((Udhay
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:20:24PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet
is over.
Thoughts?
Darknets. What we cypherpunks have been saying last two decades.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet
is over.
Thoughts?
Darknets. What we cypherpunks have been saying last two decades.
I have two main thoughts around this.
1. Sousveillance [1]
On Aug 20, 2013 9:36 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
2. A brilliant quote from silklister Heather Madrone captures my
thoughts. From memory, Save your dial-up modems. We can restart the
internet right under their feet.
So I go back and relearn Morse code?
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
Groklaw has decided to shut shop.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/02152224249/more-nsa-spying-fallout-groklaw-shutting-down.shtml
A rather melancholy take, from elsewhere:
And it's only the beginning. I
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:36:47PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet
is over.
Thoughts?
Darknets. What we cypherpunks have been saying last two
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk
s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote:
2. A brilliant quote from silklister Heather Madrone captures my
thoughts. From memory, Save your dial-up modems. We can restart the
internet right under their feet.
So I go back and relearn Morse
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:39:36PM +0530, Venkat Mangudi - Silk wrote:
So I go back and relearn Morse code?
I'm actually going to get a ham license. You can probably
think why.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:56:56PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
No, it merely means (in my understanding) that you can redo a peer to peer
net with this technology. It doesn't even need to be taken literally -
witness the comment about darknets made upthread.
If you don't own the signalling
On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 21:20 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
Groklaw has decided to shut shop.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/02152224249/more-nsa-spying-fallout-groklaw-shutting-down.shtml
Here's a quote from the above link:
The people talked about how it stopped them from being
Save your dial-up modems. We can restart the internet right under
their feet.
A fine sentiment, but it's trivial to distinguish modem traffic from
voice.
Steganets (none of you has ever seen a dead donkey) might be a
little less obvious than darknets (and the normally abysmal S/N ratio
Shades of if you aren't doing anything wrong, why do you object? in
your response. I'll revisit this later.
On 20-Aug-13 10:06 PM, SS wrote:
My late mother grew up in her father's house with 4 siblings and 15 odd
cousins. Privacy was non existent and this makes people grow up in a
peculiar
On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 07:47 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
Shades of if you aren't doing anything wrong, why do you object? in
your response. I'll revisit this later.
Yes, but I will explain below. First let me respond to this quote
its currency in a society. The Haunted Land, a book that
No right to privacy yet, anywhere, but it has been argued in India that it
exists. The leagles would know, surely.
Indrajit Gupta
On Aug 21, 2013, at 9:22 AM, SS cybers...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 07:47 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
Shades of if you aren't doing anything wrong,
The US bill of rights - which is the bedrock of all these constitutional
protections, applies to US citizens. So .. I am not sure if this discussion
isn't entirely moot.
--srs (iPad)
On 21-Aug-2013, at 9:22, SS cybers...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 07:47 +0530, Udhay Shankar N
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