Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2015-07-01 Thread Charles Haynes
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: We've had (parts of) this discussion here before, but this is worth a read. Especially interested in Charles' response to this one. Udhay

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2015-05-21 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: We've had (parts of) this discussion here before, but this is worth a read. Especially interested in Charles' response to this one. Udhay Another article on Wine Tasting is bullshit series

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-22 Thread ashok_
A friend of mine (with some background in psychology) used to ask his five year old for an opinion on abstract modern art - do you like it ? or what do you see...? ... this yielded a large number of positives towards well known abstract artists (e.g. jackson pollock ). his point was children paint

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-19 Thread Alaric Snell-Pym
On 14/12/13 08:41, Udhay Shankar N wrote: Maybe each of these activities (listening to high end audio gear, drinking high end wine, having needles inserted into your chakras) is really about ritualizing a sensory experience. By putting on headphones you know are high quality, or drinking

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-19 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Alaric Snell-Pym ala...@snell-pym.org.uk wrote: which contained 1000mg paracetomol (why can't they just say 1g?) On a tangent, this reminds me of the PR blitz about the new Honda city - claiming 50mm increase in wheelbase. 50mm - and they unfailingly report it

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-19 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
1000 mg - sheesh, at that does you're skating very near liver damage The fda reduced the maximum to 650 mg a while back that I can remember Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [19/12/13 22:49 +0530]: On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Alaric Snell-Pym ala...@snell-pym.org.uk wrote: which contained 1000mg

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-18 Thread Venkatesh Hariharan
On similar lines, I have been looking at abstract art and wondering how one separates the wheat from the chaff? Venky

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-18 Thread Deepa Mohan
When I am at an art opening, and sipping the wine, I have both the problems simultaneously, added to which is the question of the cheese On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Venkatesh Hariharan ven...@gmail.comwrote: On similar lines, I have been looking at abstract art and wondering how one

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-18 Thread Mahesh Murthy
Its all chaff. That's what makes it all wheat :) On 18-Dec-2013 6:24 pm, Venkatesh Hariharan ven...@gmail.com wrote: On similar lines, I have been looking at abstract art and wondering how one separates the wheat from the chaff? Venky

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-18 Thread Charles Haynes
I used to think Rothko was pretentious bullshit. Then I went to the Tate Modern and sat in their Rothko room. I didn't want to leave. -- Charles

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2013-12-18 Thread Abhishek Hazra
- I have been looking at abstract art and wondering how one separates the wheat from the chaff? just curious, what kind of abstract art have you been looking at? to get a sense of Ad Reinhardt's practice it might be interesting to look at his political cartoons and collages too, along with his

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-18 Thread Deepa Mohan
Hurray, Abhishek re-surfaces! Where are you, and what are you up to now? On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Abhishek Hazra abhishek.ha...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-18 Thread Venkatesh Hariharan
I think a friend of mine has Nasreen Mohamedi in his collection. In the recent Saffron Art auction, I found this Ram Kumar work beautiful, though I cannot describe why: http://www.saffronart.com/auctions/PostWork.aspx?l=9412 I looked at a Raza abstract from the same auction and did not like it

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-17 Thread ashok_
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.comwrote: There is also the reverse snobbery effect, which the wine tastings I describe actually encourage. It's the joy of finding a cheap wine that you really enjoy that you think tastes better than the expensive wines that

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-17 Thread Charles Haynes
I've always tried to aim a little higher than not actively painful when choosing my tipples. I realize I may be privileged in this regard. -- Charles

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-14 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On 06-Dec-13 11:39 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/09/12/tasting-wine-blind/ Another viewpoint, partially inspired by the above piece: http://www.anxiousmachine.com/blog/2013/12/10/placibo-philes Placebo-philes December 10, 2013 Audiophiles have gotten a

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-14 Thread Charles Haynes
There is also the reverse snobbery effect, which the wine tastings I describe actually encourage. It's the joy of finding a cheap wine that you really enjoy that you think tastes better than the expensive wines that other people are overpaying for. It requires a certain strength of will, and it is

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-05 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On 10/05/13 10-May-2013;4:05 pm, Charles Haynes wrote: The wine tasting I have consistently advocated is personal double-blind vertical or horizontal tastings with a ringer. Here's a counterpoint of sorts. I find it interesting, although I personally have no opinion; not being a wine fan.

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-12-05 Thread Charles Haynes
Those issues arise if you are trying to compare different varietals. The wine tastings I describe are all the same region and year, or all the same producer across multiple years. The article is completely right that it's absurd to try to compare different varietals blind. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-29 Thread Dave Long
... Probably the first time a thread has drifted back... This observation allows us to make some statements about the dimensionality of silk thread-drift space, under the assumption it can be modeled by brownian motion. We know the dimensionality is strictly greater than 0 (in trivial

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-29 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Dave Long dave.l...@bluewin.ch wrote: In order to resolve this issue, I suggest we start an infinite thread; upon its conclusion we'll have more information to discriminate between the two cases. The closest approximation to infinite threads (at least on silk)

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-29 Thread Deepa Mohan
an infinite thread; upon its conclusion Ah.

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2013-05-29 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
On 29 May 2013 18:39, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: The closest approximation to infinite threads (at least on silk) are pun cascades. Yoko. Here we go again. Ram

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-29 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Sean Doyle sdo...@gmail.com wrote: YOKO? You Only Know Once? Ono! Is that what it means?

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-29 Thread Sean Doyle
YOKO? You Only Know Once? On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram r.sunda...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 May 2013 18:39, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: The closest approximation to infinite threads (at least on silk) are pun cascades. Yoko. Here we go again. Ram

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-29 Thread Bonobashi
One must share your well-founded fears. One might go so far as to say that one is apPauled. On May 29, 2013, at 10:59 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram r.sunda...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 May 2013 18:39, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: The closest approximation to infinite threads (at least

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-29 Thread Thaths
On May 29, 2013 3:09 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Dave Long dave.l...@bluewin.ch wrote: In order to resolve this issue, I suggest we start an infinite thread; upon its conclusion we'll have more information to discriminate between the two

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-29 Thread Thaths
On May 29, 2013 9:04 AM, Bonobashi bonoba...@yahoo.co.in wrote: One must share your well-founded fears. One might go so far as to say that one is apPauled. Why Ring o the bells of doom? Thaths On May 29, 2013, at 10:59 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram r.sunda...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 May 2013

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-29 Thread Biju Chacko
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On May 29, 2013 9:04 AM, Bonobashi bonoba...@yahoo.co.in wrote: One must share your well-founded fears. One might go so far as to say that one is apPauled. Why Ring o the bells of doom? Yeah, just let it be. -- b

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-29 Thread Bharath Chari
On Thursday 30 May 2013 11:08 AM, Biju Chacko wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On May 29, 2013 9:04 AM, Bonobashi bonoba...@yahoo.co.in wrote: One must share your well-founded fears. One might go so far as to say that one is apPauled. Why Ring o the

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-28 Thread Madhu Menon
On 24 May 2013 21:42, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote: Education cess on wine? We are back to the wine-tasting bullshit! Probably the first time a thread has drifted back... Education cess applies on all government levies. -- Madhu Menon Food Photography: http://madhumenonphoto.com

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-28 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Madhu Menon m...@madhumenon.com wrote: On 24 May 2013 21:42, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote: Education cess on wine? We are back to the wine-tasting bullshit! Probably the first time a thread has drifted back... Education cess applies on all

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-24 Thread ashok_
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram r.sunda...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 May 2013 05:08, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.com wrote: Are you friends with an importer? Do you have a lot of friends that travel Indian wine import duties make it a daunting task. Any

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-24 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
On 24 May 2013 14:20, ashok_ listmans...@gmail.com wrote: Any idea what kind of duty / taxes one may face if I carry a case of 6-7 bottles of wine into India ? See http://www.cbec.gov.in/travellers.htm Wines and Beer * BCD @100% + ACD NIL+ 3% education cess So 103%. Ram

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-24 Thread ashok_
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram r.sunda...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 May 2013 14:20, ashok_ listmans...@gmail.com wrote: Any idea what kind of duty / taxes one may face if I carry a case of 6-7 bottles of wine into India ? See http://www.cbec.gov.in/travellers.htm

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-24 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:24 PM, ashok_ listmans...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 May 2013 14:20, ashok_ listmans...@gmail.com wrote: Any idea what kind of duty / taxes one may face if I carry a case of 6-7 bottles of wine into India ? See http://www.cbec.gov.in/travellers.htm Wines and

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-15 Thread Charles Haynes
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Sriram Karra karra@gmail.com wrote: I wonder ... is there *any* way one can do the above in India over a meaningfully long period of time in without having to, in parallel, plan a heist at a local bank? Are you friends with an importer? Do you have a

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-15 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
On 16 May 2013 05:08, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.com wrote: Are you friends with an importer? Do you have a lot of friends that travel Indian wine import duties make it a daunting task. Using an importer adds other complications. Most wine imports to India do not seem to be in

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-12 Thread SS
On Sun, 2013-05-12 at 13:48 +0800, Charles Haynes wrote: Seems unlikely. The Burgundians believe they came from Scandinavia and they're almost certainly just another East Germanic tribe. The name can be traced back to at least 250 AD in Scandinavia, so unless the Scandinavians were visiting

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-12 Thread Sriram Karra
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.comwrote: The wine tasting I have consistently advocated is personal double-blind vertical or horizontal tastings with a ringer. Let me explain :) I wonder ... is there *any* way one can do the above in India over a

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-11 Thread Charles Haynes
When I was in practice, I could pretty reliably identify a sparkling wine as a (real) Champagne, and which district from within Champagne but not better than that. I'm reasonably good a picking out a Penedès. I expect a master Sommelier can do better and as part of the exam I believe they are

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-11 Thread SS
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 18:35 +0800, Charles Haynes wrote: His attention grabbing headline Wine Tasting is Bullshit, however, is bullshit. What is really bullshit, but considered fashionable is the supercilious snootiness that some self proclaimed connoisseurs of wine display when they think

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-11 Thread SS
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 08:09 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: We've had (parts of) this discussion here before, but this is worth a read. Especially interested in Charles' response to this one. Forgot to ask last time. Does anyone other than me also believe that Burgundy could be a Telugu word?

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-11 Thread Charles Haynes
Seems unlikely. The Burgundians believe they came from Scandinavia and they're almost certainly just another East Germanic tribe. The name can be traced back to at least 250 AD in Scandinavia, so unless the Scandinavians were visiting South India earlier than that (or vice versa) it seems pretty

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-10 Thread Charles Haynes
Despite his hyperbolic style and deliberate provocation I don't disagree with his central thesis, which is that wine reviews are basically useless as a guide to finding wines you will like. His attention grabbing headline Wine Tasting is Bullshit, however, is bullshit. The wine tasting I have

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-10 Thread Charles Haynes
Some of the key things you learn, quickly or over time, are that: You must depend on your own taste. There will be people whose judgement agrees with yours, but you will still disagree with them in surprising ways. After tasting but before revealing we would often discuss our rankings of the

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-10 Thread Charles Haynes
One last reply to myself. I've included below the most recent invitation of the tasting group I used to regularly attend when I lived in the Bay Area. It's a private group run by a computer geek who started doing this for fun probably 40 years ago, and still runs them. If I were still in the Bay

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-10 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.comwrote: \ You must depend on your own taste. Tastes vary. YOUR taste varies. Context is important. A wine you loved in a romantic restaurant may not do so well at a table compared with its peers. Cheeni said it...it all

[silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-10 Thread mark seiden
, such as '83 chassagne montrachet). Begin forwarded message: From: Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why. Date: May 10, 2013 7:46:07 AM PDT To: silklist@lists.hserus.net silklist@lists.hserus.net Reply-To: silklist@lists.hserus.net

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-10 Thread Gautam John
Saw this video floating around in response to the io9 piece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBi9PfZve84utm_source=feedly

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-09 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
The upshot: screw the experts. This is generally good advise for anything. Religion, investing, philosophy, exercise, diet, don't adopt anything without verifying for yourself. It's silly how many people have respect for authority. I was lucky to be genetically disposed towards rebellion.

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-09 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: This is generally good advise for anything. Religion, investing, philosophy, exercise, diet, don't adopt anything without verifying for yourself. It's silly how many people have respect for authority. I was lucky

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-09 Thread Caitlin Marinelli
My favorite bit on this topic is the freakonomics podcast, where Goldstein tells the story of how how his “restaurant” in Milan, Osteria L’Intrepido,won an Award of Excellence from Wine Spectatormagazine. (Not how you think!) Worth the listen. Here's the tale:

[silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

2013-05-08 Thread Udhay Shankar N
We've had (parts of) this discussion here before, but this is worth a read. Especially interested in Charles' response to this one. Udhay Original Message http://io9.com/wine-tasting-is-bullshit-heres-why-496098276 The