Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-02-18 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote: [ on 04:55 PM 2/18/2006 ] On silk, that would be, let's see, ... Bharath? Possibly Divya as well. Udhay, amused -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-02-18 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
On 2/16/06, Ravi Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rather, what's a "tambram > NON-iyer crowd" ? On silk, that would be, let's see, ... Bharath? (Who first told me that one about the Indian bureaucracy, "the iyer and iyer you go, the iyengar you get") Ram

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-02-15 Thread Ravi Rao
* Suresh Ramasubramanian [Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 11:18:55AM +0530]: > Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > > > > From personal observation, I fear the same is happening to the TamBram > > Iyer crowd. > > > > You observing the sample of tambram iyers on silklist? You, me, Udhay > etc? :) Huh? Are you sayin

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-02-15 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > > From personal observation, I fear the same is happening to the TamBram > Iyer crowd. > You observing the sample of tambram iyers on silklist? You, me, Udhay etc? :) suresh

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-02-15 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
Vinayak Hegde wrote: On 2/15/06, Thaths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Economic well being and upward socio-economic mobility tends to lead to better education, fewer children and generally a shift slightly towards more liberal attitudes. This has happened in several countries That is true. This w

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-02-15 Thread Madhu M Kurup
Hmm: > On 2/15/06, Thaths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Economic well being and upward socio-economic mobility tends to lead > > to better education, fewer children and generally a shift slightly > > towards more liberal attitudes. This has happened in several countries > > That is true. This wer

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-02-15 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On 2/15/06, Thaths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Economic well being and upward socio-economic mobility tends to lead > to better education, fewer children and generally a shift slightly > towards more liberal attitudes. This has happened in several countries That is true. This were also the observ

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-02-15 Thread Thaths
On 2/15/06, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's still so that Blue States are below replenishment threshold, > and Red States breed like the rabbits. Children raised by white > trash teenager moms do not tend to turn out cosmopolites, unfortunately. Economic well being and upward socio-e

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-02-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 04:49:41PM +0100, Dave Long wrote: > Unless fundamentalists are able to successfully position repression as > a natural response to some sort of collective threat, I would predict > that many of them are doomed to disappointment, when their children > grow up to be more

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-02-15 Thread Dave Long
I tend to agree with the starting point of many of this guy's theories, but have serious disagreements with the eventual conclusions - which is informed by my opinion that there is a lot that is carefully left out of the analysis. The big hidden assumption seems to be that having large

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-01-11 Thread Divya Sampath
"sastry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed January 11 2006 22:48, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: could it not be that the region's rulers like to keep Islam that way to maintain their stranglehold on oil resources? I belive that "keeping Islam that way" is a great way of holding on to power in

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-01-11 Thread sastry
On Wed January 11 2006 22:48, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > could it not be that the region's rulers like to keep Islam > that way to maintain their stranglehold on oil resources? I belive that "keeping Islam that way" is a great way of holding on to power in an oligarchy. The infuence in the We

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-01-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:48:35PM +0530, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > Assuming that this opinion of Islam is based on news from the Middle > East, could it not be that the region's rulers like to keep Islam > that way to maintain their stranglehold on oil resources? Maintaining a stranglehold

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-01-11 Thread Thaths
On 1/11/06, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can just lump them under one memetic label encouraging high > birth rate. There is a nice talk on 'The Depopulation Problem' given by Phillip Longman as part of the Long Now Foundation's monthly talks at: http://seminars.moose.cc/salt-02004

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-01-11 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 11-Jan-06, at 9:55 PM, sastry wrote: This guy is basically right. White Europe is not reproducing, and currently looking like it might get replaced by an Islam that is not looking like its heading anywhere except towards AD 630. Assuming that this opinion of Islam is based on news from

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-01-11 Thread sastry
On Wed January 11 2006 20:07, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > From another list: Long rantlike piece by a guy called Mark Steyn. This guy is basically right. White Europe is not reproducing, and currently looking like it might get replaced by an Islam that is not looking like its heading anywhere exc

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-01-11 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
Pessimists, you bunch! On 11-Jan-06, at 9:08 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: I'm guessing this will either lead to an enlightened existence (unlikely), or all of humanity growing depressed and commiting suicide realizing the pointless life that remains to be led. -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://w

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-01-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:08:09PM +0530, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: > My own theory is that given sufficient advances in technology, we will > have nothing to do, or too much to do, either way it will hit an > extreme. Religion and other mental crutches will give way to more Much more interesting

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-01-11 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On 1/11/06, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My eventual conclusion is that all of the humanity is finished, > and that machines will rule the earth. Soon, maybe even within > our lifetimes. My own theory is that given sufficient advances in technology, we will have nothing to do, or too

Re: [silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-01-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 08:07:27PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > From another list: Long rantlike piece by a guy called Mark Steyn. > It seems to me that his basic thesis (that the western societies are > in for one hell of a shakeup due to demographic patterns, and may not > survive in any r

[silk] It's the demography, stupid

2006-01-11 Thread Udhay Shankar N
From another list: Long rantlike piece by a guy called Mark Steyn. It seems to me that his basic thesis (that the western societies are in for one hell of a shakeup due to demographic patterns, and may not survive in any recognisable form) has a lot going for it. However, it is dressed up in a