Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-17 Thread Venkat Mangudi
On Monday 14 November 2011 10:14 PM, ss wrote: On Monday 14 Nov 2011 4:40:51 pm Eugen Leitl wrote: DIY meaning starting completely from scratch, with the green plant. Green plant? Why use tobacco? Reminds me of the time in college where a bunch of us purportedly studying for the exam ran out

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-14 Thread Bonobashi
Apart from that, surely far more entertaining as well? Sent from my iPad On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Biju Chacko wrote: > >> I've always thought of pot as fairly harmless (though I may be wrong >> -- facts welcome), but I'm in two m

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-14 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Biju Chacko wrote: > I've always thought of pot as fairly harmless (though I may be wrong > -- facts welcome), but I'm in two minds about whether it should be > legalized. On the one hand, I don't see why alcohol and tobacco are > any different from pot -- they c

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-14 Thread Charles Haynes
On Nov 15, 2011 4:05 PM, "Biju Chacko" wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:14 PM, ss wrote: > > On Monday 14 Nov 2011 4:40:51 pm Eugen Leitl wrote: > >> DIY meaning starting completely from scratch, with the green plant. > >> > > Green plant? Why use tobacco? > I've always thought of pot as fa

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-14 Thread Biju Chacko
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:14 PM, ss wrote: > On Monday 14 Nov 2011 4:40:51 pm Eugen Leitl wrote: >> DIY meaning starting completely from scratch, with the green plant. >> > Green plant? Why use tobacco? LOL! I've always thought of pot as fairly harmless (though I may be wrong -- facts welcome),

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-14 Thread ss
On Monday 14 Nov 2011 4:40:51 pm Eugen Leitl wrote: > DIY meaning starting completely from scratch, with the green plant. > Green plant? Why use tobacco? shiv

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-14 Thread Chew Lin Kay
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 03:32:37PM +0800, Chew Lin Kay wrote: > > > > Nevermind machorka, DIY from Nicotiana rustica. > > > > > > > > DIY meaning self-cured, or self-rolled? > > DIY meaning starting completely from scratch, with the green plan

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 03:32:37PM +0800, Chew Lin Kay wrote: > > Nevermind machorka, DIY from Nicotiana rustica. > > > > > DIY meaning self-cured, or self-rolled? DIY meaning starting completely from scratch, with the green plant.

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-13 Thread Chew Lin Kay
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 09:46:28PM +0530, Indrajit Gupta wrote: > > B. > > > > How nice never to have met a Russian cigarette. > > Nevermind machorka, DIY from Nicotiana rustica. > > DIY meaning self-cured, or self-rolled? CL

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
___ > From: Udhay Shankar N <ud...@pobox.com> > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011, 21:35 > Subject: Re: [silk] Query on wines and snobbery > > > > On Nov 13, 2011 5:23 PM, "ss" <cybers...@gmail.com&

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-13 Thread Indrajit Gupta
B. How nice never to have met a Russian cigarette. You HAVE been around quite a bit, haven't you, young-fella-me-lad? From: Udhay Shankar N <ud...@pobox.com> To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011, 21:35 Subject: Re: [sil

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-13 Thread Indrajit Gupta
@lists.hserus.net Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011, 17:21 Subject: Re: [silk] Query on wines and snobbery On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 2:59:21 pm Indrajit Gupta wrote: > and the way to death ends with what used to be a Charminar; there was >  nothing stronger, > Gauloise. The worst. Ever. shiv

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-13 Thread Indrajit Gupta
lklist@lists.hserus.net Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011, 17:21 Subject: Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 2:59:21 pm Indrajit Gupta wrote: > and the way to death ends with what used to be a Charminar; there was >  nothing stronger, > Gauloise. The worst. Ever. shiv

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-13 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Nov 13, 2011 5:23 PM, "ss" wrote: > > On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 2:59:21 pm Indrajit Gupta wrote: > > and the way to death ends with what used to be a Charminar; there was > > nothing stronger, > > > > Gauloise. The worst. Ever. Obviously IG meant among the Indian-made cigarettes. Else, the strong

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-13 Thread ss
On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 2:59:21 pm Indrajit Gupta wrote: > and the way to death ends with what used to be a Charminar; there was > nothing stronger, > Gauloise. The worst. Ever. shiv

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-13 Thread Indrajit Gupta
11 November 2011, 6:47 Subject: Re: [silk] Query on wines and snobbery That does explain why people tend to only smoke wills, or gold flake kings or ... and a wills smoker wouldn't dream of smoking gold flake.  There's a paanwallah I used to know in hyd who had an uncanny knack

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-13 Thread Indrajit Gupta
011, 6:41 Subject: Re: [silk] Query on wines and snobbery On Thursday 10 Nov 2011 11:14:46 pm Indrajit Gupta wrote: > Frankly, I think we are hugely overdoing the wine snobbery bit; if we can >  distinguish between cigarette brands and their smokes, or between >  different brands of blended

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
esh=hserus@lists.hserus.net To: silklist@lists.hserus.net ReplyTo: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] Query on wines and snobbery Sent: Nov 11, 2011 06:41 On Thursday 10 Nov 2011 11:14:46 pm Indrajit Gupta wrote: > Frankly, I think we are hugely overdoing the wine snobbery bit; if we can &

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread ss
On Thursday 10 Nov 2011 11:14:46 pm Indrajit Gupta wrote: > Frankly, I think we are hugely overdoing the wine snobbery bit; if we can > distinguish between cigarette brands and their smokes, or between > different brands of blended whiskey, what is the big deal in being able to > distinguish bet

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Danese Cooper
Yes please! On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:09 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 03:24:19PM +, Sidin Vadukut wrote: > >> It turns out I like smokey malts. Cheers. > > Laphroaig, Lagavulin, Ardbeg? >

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Charles Haynes
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Sriram ET. wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Charles Haynes > wrote: >> we were not influenced by brand or price. It was in the course of >> years of these kinds of tastings that I determined my own preferences >> in wine style and varietals > Time and

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Indrajit Gupta
ended whiskey, what is the big deal in being able to distinguish between different types of wine? And Indian wine has improved tremendously but .. From: ss <cybers...@gmail.com> To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2011, 17:25 S

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Sriram ET.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Charles Haynes wrote: > we were not influenced by brand or price. It was in the course of > years of these kinds of tastings that I determined my own preferences > in wine style and varietals Time and experimentation - that's the crux of the matter, isn't it? An

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 03:24:19PM +, Sidin Vadukut wrote: > It turns out I like smokey malts. Cheers. Laphroaig, Lagavulin, Ardbeg?

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery (Charles Haynes)

2011-11-10 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On 10-Nov-11 9:13 PM, Shoba Narayan wrote: I enjoy wine. I find that the more expensive ones are flatter. Wine writers use the phrase, "well-rounded" for this. While on the topic of wine/food writers: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silk-list/message/8375 Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery (Charles Haynes)

2011-11-10 Thread Shoba Narayan
In the second, the wines were exactly the same, but different music was played during the tastings, and the human tasters gave the same wines different notes. Ambiance matters; better a poor wine in good company... -Dave I agree. Lots of people hold a glass of wine for the image it conjures:

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:46:40AM +0100, Aanjhan Ranganathan wrote: > We (some 12 of us) in Zurich, had a blind wine tasting party. Each of > us got a wine bottle (either expensive or cheap). The host wrapped the > bottles in aluminium foil and numbered them. Everybody then tasted > the wine and

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Sidin Vadukut
I thought all whisky tasted the same till I went for a distillery tasting recently. Where I was taught, a little, by a wonderfully down to earth master distiller on tasting whiskies and generally drinking them with a little insight. He said rather than worrying about whether I got the same "honey"

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Tim Bray
Actually the evidence is on Charles' side. Practiced wine-tasters can identify many different characteristics of wine with high statistical significance. This is not to say it isn't a major outlet for snobbery. -T On Nov 10, 2011 4:36 AM, "Charles Haynes" wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:24 P

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread ss
On Thursday 10 Nov 2011 5:03:59 pm Charles Haynes wrote: > Anyway, I'm just trying to say that no actually, real wine > appreciation is a learned skill that can be used for snobbery or not > as suits the inclination of the individual. > Charles - I am sure you are right. But there are some things

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Aanjhan Ranganathan wrote: > http://xkcd.com/915/ Ironically, I spent some time yesterday hunting for deals on Lapsang souchong and Pu'erh. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j25dBuXl907jffar2s64Bb_RYGhQ?docId=CNG.7d2b4a98d964b2797a1705c20a3e7c0

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Charles Haynes
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:24 PM, ss wrote: > On Thursday 10 Nov 2011 2:17:14 pm Deepa Mohan wrote: >> I don't see anything wrong with liking the cheapest and most plonky wine in >> the supermarket. >> > Deepa wine appreciation is pure snobbery nothing else. Certainly there are wine drinkers who a

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: > I agree that it is snobbish to say that cheap wine is bad . Case is point > Sula Mosaic and Sante from Grovers. Rs 400 a bottle, eminently drinkable. > There is a port from Sula called 'port 1000'. Rs 137 a bottle. Great after > an hour of d

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Wine tasting is fun. But inaccurate unles ypou're spitting it out. After a flight, you can drink anything and say cool stuff like oak, plum, woody, tannins, legs etc and nobody will disagree. :) -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Aanjhan Ranganathan wrote:

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Venkat Mangudi
I agree that it is snobbish to say that cheap wine is bad . Case is point Sula Mosaic and Sante from Grovers. Rs 400 a bottle, eminently drinkable. There is a port from Sula called 'port 1000'. Rs 137 a bottle. Great after an hour of drinking. :) not bad relly, especially compared to one from He

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Aanjhan Ranganathan
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:24 AM, ss wrote: > On Thursday 10 Nov 2011 2:17:14 pm Deepa Mohan wrote: >> I don't see anything wrong with liking the cheapest and most plonky wine in >> the supermarket. >> > Deepa wine appreciation is pure snobbery nothing else. You might have read > about the expert

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:54 PM, ss wrote: >>The second test Brochet conducted was even more damning. He took a middling >> Bordeaux and served it in two different bottles. One bottle was a fancy >> grand-cru. The other bottle was an ordinary vin du table. Despite the fact >> that they were actual

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread ss
On Thursday 10 Nov 2011 2:17:14 pm Deepa Mohan wrote: > I don't see anything wrong with liking the cheapest and most plonky wine in > the supermarket. > Deepa wine appreciation is pure snobbery nothing else. You might have read about the expert wine tasters who detected hint of rose etc when they

Re: [silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread J. Alfred Prufrock
Hear, hear! Excellent exposition. I entirely concur. J.A.P. On 10 November 2011 14:17, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Venkat Mangudi > Date: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [silk] Query on Indian-made wines > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net

[silk] Query on wines.... and snobbery

2011-11-10 Thread Deepa Mohan
-- Forwarded message -- From: Venkat Mangudi Date: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [silk] Query on Indian-made wines To: silklist@lists.hserus.net ** My previous mail does not imply Charles is a wine snob. :) sorry, Charles. Just that wines have matured in India. Well,